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Offline Nuke

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Wow so you did think this through very, very thoroughly. And I like the idea that the Ancients put up a fight. They conquered thousands of species, the Shivans couldn't put out the light that fast. :cool:

*Shrug*

Based on the FS1 cutscenes and Volition's own statements about Ancient technology it seems that they did not defeat Shivan shielding until their homeworld was destroyed.

The Shivans likely blitzkreiged straight through their major systems, tearing their ships apart while "not dying," and crushed the Ancients rather swiftly. Their species was most likely reduced to a non-viable population by the time they had the means to fight back, not that it wouldn't make an interesting story about the surviving armada knowing it's doomed tracking and fighting the Shivans in subspace when all of their worlds were gone.

However it does seem to be a common theme in fanon to have the Ancients put up a good fight.

i always figured the ancients put up a good long fight (though not one long enough to seed life on our worlds, not to say that this couldnt have been the case earlyer in the ancients history). the ancients held a much bigger empire than the gtva. such an empire wouldnt have been conquered overnight. it probibly went on for a number of years. the lucifer was aparently built just for the final attack of the main systems of the ancients. im sure they had to face waves of sathani (perhaps even a dante or two :D). perhaps in the fight the ancients crippled a great many jump nodes (by either porthole shutdown or just plane mesoning) to slow the shivan advance. in the process they probibly isolated the sathanas fleet as well as the lucifer fleet in an attempt to confuse the enemy.

the lack of beam cannons on the lucifer fleet? perhaps the ancients sent bombers and interceptors to cripple this final assault force. knocking out its beam weapons. while at the same time closing off themselves from their shivan foes. it the final hours of the ancients, they most likely would be thinking more of their survival than the successful outcome of the war. they would be running in battlestar galactica fashion, trying to cripple their few remaining persuers who have been sealed off from their larger fleets.

this leads them to what will be gtva space. we know gtva space is pretty much cut off from what, under the same rules of subspace, should be a galactic subspace network. the ancients did this on their final escape, lucifer fleet right on their tail. they sealed nodes, they sent ships to cripple the support fleet, however they were a little late to figure out how to kill the shields. and so they get wiped out, leaving the lucifer fleet stuck in our little area of space. probibly having gone into hibernation after a thorough search for a way home. they probibly detected the beginnings of intelegent life on vasuda and on earth, and probibly decided to wait until theese spiecies reached stellar maturity, at which point they would start killing eachother and possible figure out how to activate that infernal knossos.
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Wow so you did think this through very, very thoroughly. And I like the idea that the Ancients put up a fight. They conquered thousands of species, the Shivans couldn't put out the light that fast. :cool:

*Shrug*

Based on the FS1 cutscenes and Volition's own statements about Ancient technology it seems that they did not defeat Shivan shielding until their homeworld was destroyed.

The Shivans likely blitzkreiged straight through their major systems, tearing their ships apart while "not dying," and crushed the Ancients rather swiftly. Their species was most likely reduced to a non-viable population by the time they had the means to fight back, not that it wouldn't make an interesting story about the surviving armada knowing it's doomed tracking and fighting the Shivans in subspace when all of their worlds were gone.

However it does seem to be a common theme in fanon to have the Ancients put up a good fight.

I thought they could only not get through the Lucifer's sheilds. Sorta like the Luci plowed through their entire fleet and on into their home systems with the rest of them following behind destroying the leftovers.

If they couldnt kill any of them then how could they figure out how to track them through subspace?
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Offline Maxwell

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I don't recall V saying if the use of lasers in the new shivan fleet was a point of story or a simple technical matter.  If so then you'd be reading too much into things by debating the origins of laser beams.

The Ancients already had space travel abilities before they invented/discovered jump drives, and seem to have gained the use of subspace for some time (enough to spread around or maybe beyond the galaxy) before the shivans found them. 

The "we could forgo one system" line suggests that they were able to hold their own against the shivans, if only for a long enough while to make that decision (unlike the gta, who get pantsed outright at first contact).

Their initial encounter sounds like they ran up against an unremarkable enemy that became remarkable by the simple fact they couldn't be overpowered easily... then as time went on, the ancients realized they were in deeper **** than they bargained for.
Then, after a long series of engagements, panic sets in and the ancients start to scatter.

If any survived they would have had to escape by their original space travel method as not to be tracked.  Where they are and what condition their race is in (think Homeworld)  could be anyones guess.

Just bear in mind that the Shivans were not all powerful.  You can destroy smaller craft with basic weapons if your persistent enough.
The ancients knew all about fighting in space and I'd only assume they'd be able to kick our ass if we ever met before the events of FS1... to which I think they'd be able to hold their own until big star eating monsters started showing up in large numbers.
« Last Edit: August 25, 2007, 10:25:29 pm by Maxwell »

 

Offline Ace

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Forgoing one system can also be construed to being completely overwhelmed and outclassed and "cutting losses" by collapsing nodes. Even assuming that the Ancients' efforts were about on par with how the player first fights the Shivans in FS1, a large empire and sacrificing outer systems could buy enough time to hope to find a weakness- one that was ironically found after their homeworld was lost.

Considering that the GTI had access to Shivan tech before the Great War, the technological leaps and adaptation to the Shivans seen in the Terran-Vasudan victory does not necessarily reflect how the Ancients fought. Now having Ancient ships fight on par with Shivans might make for a better campaign, but isn't necessarily the case.
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Offline Maxwell

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Problem is that the ancients ran across many races and over a vast territory. Other species that could have also picked up bits of shivan tech or worse.   The ancients  make a point to brag about how well they had managed to meet all challengers.
Pure arrogance maybe... but if they didn't have their own tricks to survival, they would never have gotten this far.   Someone would have either stopped them just like the Vasudans tripped up the Humans.

If the Ancients turned out to be pushovers they would have been tracked and routed by the shivans before having a clue about what was going on. Instead they appear to have survived enough encounters to lean things about the shivans even we had not figured out.


 
rgr that Maxwell
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Offline TrashMan

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agreed...especially if the empire is as vast as it appears to be (MUCH larger than the GTVA at the hight of it's power), then they must have had MASSIVE fleets...even if outclassed by shivans they would have still fared better than the terrans and vasudans becoause of sheer numbers and soze of territory.. It would take shivans a lot to conquer all of that.
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