[Wanderer]

So...


...um...    ...is there any?



As seen in these threads only very few bother to comment anything about the FSwiki...
http://www.hard-light.net/forums/index.php/topic,48430.0.html
http://www.hard-light.net/forums/index.php/topic,42436.msg983204.html#msg983204

It almost seems like most of the community would be much happier without it...

[Shade]

I use it almost daily myself, and point quite a few people at it when they have questions which are already addressed there. I just tend to forget to check the wiki forum when I'm browsing around It's an amazing resource for all things Freespace, and you're quite right that we should be more appreciative of it.

[Mustang19]

I know what you mean. For me, the Wiki is mainly useful for accessing FS information away from home- weapons statistics and cutscene scripts, for the most part. The mission walkthroughs, FRED stuff (with a handful of exceptions), ship articles are largely... how do I put this without sounding offensive...

The main reason I help maintain the Wiki is because I have nothing better to do during my "free time" at college. As Shade said, there's a lot of helpful reference; people just don't talk about it or contribute as much as they should. At the same time, there is a huge amount of... "crap?"... that is almost never read, like the half-baked FRED reference. The community could find a better use for some of that bandwith.

[Polpolion]

FSwiki = very good

I would die without it. It is a necessity for everything.

[Snail]

What is the purpose of this? The wiki is a very good resource, but I rarely check the wiki forum. I often go on the wiki itself, however.

[Unknown Target]

I use the FS Wiki for finding information about SCP features (unfortunately, many features aren't listed/documented there), or checking weapon stats and whatnot without having to extract tables. It's a good resource, and I use it regularly. I just never have anything to add

[castor]

It is invaluable!
Ok, activity is low, but that is because Wiki maintainers have done such a good job that not many want to risk it and interfere

[Wanderer]

I just posted this because i got only very, very few answers to the topics i linked in the first posts. Both are related to improving FSwiki. Just wanted to make sure people actually are aware of it and actually interested of using and perhaps potentially improving it. Participating in conversation on how the FS wiki should be improved is participating in maintaining the FSwiki, so even if you arent interested in actually editing wiki, please at least comment & vote of the rare few threads that are posted on the FS wiki board.

For example i keep updating the table section atm though i actually have no use what so ever of it. I read the entries from the code so to me personally FSwiki's table section is not very useful. So for example if there is no interest in participating in maintaining FSwiki i simply do not see any reason what so ever for me to update it to include new options that SCP coders have recently added to table files. I do not ask (or require) people to edit it. Just take some part in improving it - voting is a good way to do it.


Then...

I use the FS Wiki for finding information about SCP features (unfortunately, many features aren't listed/documented there), or checking weapon stats and whatnot without having to extract tables. It's a good resource, and I use it regularly. I just never have anything to add

Can you describe what features?

What is the purpose of this? The wiki is a very good resource, but I rarely check the wiki forum. I often go on the wiki itself, however.

Just the apparent lack of interest in FS wiki board...

[karajorma]

FRED stuff (with a handful of exceptions).... are largely... how do I put this without sounding offensive...

What specific parts of the FRED section?

[TrashMan]

People should put more stuff in the Custom-content sections (Mod Database)

That way missions designers will quickly find ships and weapons suitable for their new campaigns.

[Shade]

What specific parts of the FRED section?

I'd venture a guess that it's the SEXP reference. I meant to add tips for how each was used (sorta like the Veteran's Comments for ships, as that would be quite useful for an inexperienced FREDder), rather than it just being a double of what -output_sexps gives you, but I only got a few done before my free time vanished. As it stands right now, it's less than half-finished. Hopefully I'll get it done some day, but it's a lot of SEXPs to go through when working 10-12 hour days. I can only barely find the time to FRED a little and maybe open a book on c++.

As for the rest of the section, if anyone thinks something is missing or needs improvement, by all means speak up. Going through all the SEXPs might be a bit too much for me for the time being, but writing/expanding an article on a specific topic is more manageble. Just need to know what people want to know about That reminds me, I've actually already got a few things I should add to the examples section.

[jr2]

...You know, ppl use FSWiki as a reference... just because you don't use the encyclopedia or dictionary or phone book every day doesn't mean you aren't extremely thankful to have them at your disposal.

[Black Wolf]

I love the wiki, use it all the time, especially since the progress of the SCP started getting away from me. How about this:

When you have an important topic that needs to be voted on, stick a link to it in GenFS or FS modding. I'm sure the admins can be convinced to allow special dispensation and ignore the rule about topics solely for the purpose linking to other topics, because, as this thread shows, the wiki is such a vital community resource. That way people who don't often check the wiki forum will be able to be told when there's something of particular importnace they need to see.

[Shade]

Well, you managed to get me off my backside and onto making a few changes and additions again, so guess this thread is good for something Now I'm gonna go sleep.

[Sarafan]

FSwiki = very good

I would die without it. It is a necessity for everything.

And for that sole reason, it shall now meet its end.









Joke. The wiki rocks!

[BlueFlames]

Nearly any time I've got FRED running, I've also got a window with the FS Wiki open in the background.  There's simply no better way to make sure I'm not utterly destroying a mission's compatibility with the FreeSpace canon.

[Hippo]

I've got to agree with mustang. there's a lot of flat out wrong information, completely non canonical events shoved into the campaign time line that i've never seen discussed before, and some part of it have horrid English (granted, we're not entirely English speaking, and i know not everyone speaks English even well, but some of it is just downright atrocious).


it's a great resource, but there's a ton of crap that just doesn't belong.

[Flipside]

I mostly use it as a Modding reference, the stuff on the history isn't of all that much interest to me, but as a moderator, I can say that there have been occasions where what is written in the Wiki as non-canon has been taken as canon. I know there's a big disclaimer at the top, but it does keep sneaking through.

[Shade]

If you find flat-out wrong information, even if you don't have time to fix it yourself, making a post about it in the wiki forum or in the wiki's talk page for that article would be a great help, since then someone who has the time can come along later and take a look at it.

I guessing that's partly what Wanderer is trying to achieve here. We've almost all been rather guilty of indifference in regards to the wiki and, if we want it to be correct and stay useful, we have to take some action when we come across wrong stuff or find that it is missing an important article, even if it just means tipping someone else off that something needs looking at.

[Mustang19]

FRED stuff (with a handful of exceptions).... are largely... how do I put this without sounding offensive...

What specific parts of the FRED section?

The whole thing, with the exclusion of most of the "FRED Tips".   

and some part of it have horrid English

Inevitable on a multinational forum. I don't care; it's still intelligible. If it bothers you that much, join our "pedant club" in correcting it (no offense intended ). It would just take an absurd amount of time to fix the dozens of long Engrish articles we have.

And amen to Shade. Be bold. If you see an error, correct it. If you want a feature added to SCP, add it to the Wanted Features list. If you think there should be a page about something that isn't in the Wiki, make it. Kind of like American politics; it sucks because noone participates.