[Mobius]

Then send in Alpha 1 (not a stupid joke here)... Would make for a good mission. A challenging one.

I don't think so. The player is always supposed to win and survive. Are we taking in consideration a realistic environment, yes or no?

[Snail]

What I mean is that the player is ordered to escort the Fenrises to the Sath, parrying enemy fighter waves, cruisers, etc. When the Fenris hits the Sath, you win.

[Mobius]

We don't know if some Meson bombs are enough. The GTVA needed three Meson bombs to destroy the Knossos. The Knossos is big, ok, but it's still nothing compared to a Sathanas. And keep in mind that the shockwave will eliminate the escort and the other cruisers before the impact. The Shivans could keep fighting, they're programmed to sacrifice their lives...but any Terran or Vasudan pilot would get far from the Fenrises when the explosion is imminent.

[TrashMan]

A Fenris going off would wipe out all shibanm/fighters/bombers in a 3 klick radius...

So tehy jsut send several fenrises, each mantaining a 3 klick distance.. so what If a few go down? Small price to pay to bring down a Sath.

and a Knossos has hte exact same number of HP as a Sath mind you....

[Mobius]

So tehy jsut send several fenrises, each mantaining a 3 klick distance.. so what If a few go down? Small price to pay to bring down a Sath.

It would be a problem. Keeping that distance means attacking the Sathanas from all sides...front included

and a Knossos has hte exact same number of HP as a Sath mind you....

It may have the same amount of HLP(), but it is fragile. And smaller. And shorter. And mobile. Either the Ancient stuff is very, very heavily armored or the Knossos hitpoints are bogus.

[TrashMan]

It would be a problem. Keeping that distance means attacking the Sathanas from all sides...front included

Not really..they can be behind one another,  they don't really need to attack it from all sides...and when you got a dozen of them who cares if one or two get tagged...good distraction for the rest of them.

It may have the same amount of HLP(), but it is fragile. And smaller. And shorter. And mobile. Either the Ancient stuff is very, very heavily armored or the Knossos hitpoints are bogus.

Same ammount of HP = same ammount of HP.. How can it be more fragile???? 

[Mobius]

It would be a problem. Keeping that distance means attacking the Sathanas from all sides...front included

Not really..they can be behind one another,  they don't really need to attack it from all sides...and when you got a dozen of them who cares if one or two get tagged...good distraction for the rest of them.

The problem is that 12 Meson bombs are difficult to have. And the mission would be a suicide one.

Same ammount of HP = same ammount of HP.. How can it be more fragile???? 

It appears to be more fragile. Come on, the Sathanas is much bigger. The Knossos should be much weaker than it currently is.

[Snail]

It appears more fragile.

[TrashMan]

The problem is that 12 Meson bombs are difficult to have. And the mission would be a suicide one.

Tehy stuck far more than that in the Bastion and Neried... and ever heard of autopilot?

It appears to be more fragile. Come on, the Sathanas is much bigger. The Knossos should be much weaker than it currently is.

Technicly the gate is bigger...a Sath can pass trough it, thats BIG.. The Sath has VOLUME, but it's insides coudl very well be very soft and vulnerable below that armor.

[Mobius]

It appears more fragile.

Hitpoints aren't always supposed to be realistic. And remember that the Knossos was destroyed "from the inside". There's no way to put 3 meson bombs inside a Sathanas.

Tehy stuck far more than that in the Bastion and Neried... and ever heard of autopilot?

Have you ever heard of fighter escort?

It would be a suicide mission for them!

Technicly the gate is bigger...a Sath can pass trough it, thats BIG.. The Sath has VOLUME, but it's insides coudl very well be very soft and vulnerable below that armor.

But the external armor is what matters. And don't know if the internals of Shivan ships are fragile. The Sathanas has more mass, anyway.

[Kie99]

The hitpoints of the Knossos were put there so the player could destroy the thing in any reasonable time frame.  It was destroyed by a plot device.  You shouldn't take anything from the tabling.  GTVA could just put Meson Bombs into a few gutted Leviathans and ram the Sath straight out of Subspace.

[colecampbell666]

Exactly.

[Colonol Dekker]

Technically Hypothetical scenario, i suppose the GTVA could make many smaller scale Meson bombs and put them in Argo or Aeolus, or a purpose built kamikaze vessel.

[TrashMan]

http://www.lares.dti.ne.jp/~hamano/FS/SK2_ForeView_1024.jpg

[Mobius]

But they hoped that the destruction of the Knossos would have closed the node. Waiting for the Sathanas and use Meson warheads against wasn't a wishful choice.

http://www.lares.dti.ne.jp/~hamano/FS/SK2_ForeView_1024.jpg

Max Speed: 0,001.

[TrashMan]

What makes you think the max speed is that? It far faster than that...

And the bomb/missile is even faster.

[Snail]

Max Speed: 0,001.

Really? It's got an Aeolus towing it, with extra engines. At least 10 m/s IMO.

[Mobius]

Ah, sorry...I thought the bomb has no engines

What's the point in having an Aeolus attached to it, then?

[TrashMan]

To move into launch position....give it cover with hordes of flak and EMP missiles.

When the missile launches it has 5 huge engines and AAAf beams of it's own. So it's like a VERY fast, large kamikaze cruiser.

[Mobius]

It reminds me a mission of Colony Wars 3, in which you had to "ride" a nuke as it moved into position.