[Mars]

I don't think they'd put admirals in charge of destroyers and captins in charge of colossi

[Agent_Koopa]

Idiot.Just becasue he sacrificed his and of other lives to save the GTVA you call him a retard.Idiot.

If we ignore the fact that the Colossus was somehow disabled (and the unusually strong Improbability Field) then there was no reason that the pilots, officers, and crew of the Colossus should have been killed. I find it unlikely that the Sathanas #72 would have followed the Colossus to destroy it. Even if it had somehow charged its jump drives in time, I think it would have returned to its important assignment at the star, not chased after a damaged ship that posed no threat to it, especially so close to the completion of their Master Plan. Their sacrifice was for nothing. The Sathanas merely took advantage of its massive firepower to stop this annoying warship that was gunning down destroyers. Had the Colossus left, it would have meant nothing. The Sathanas would continue to threaten nothing. The Bastion was not served in any way by sacrificing the Colossus. I question the tactical genius involved in the decision to cause a diversion. How many ships were diverted? One destroyer? The Colossus would have been infinitely more useful directly escorting the Bastion.


 Of course, had the Colossus survived this, it would undoubtably have perished in the ensuing supernova, but that's beside the point.

[Polpolion]

I don't think they'd put admirals in charge of destroyers and captins in charge of colossi

They have it in I think the mission that the collie's fire control is sabotaged and the icene escapes. I'll go look for it later. Maybe tomorrow.

[Jake2447]

This has gotten really off topic since i first started it.  It does seem unlikely that the Colossus created much of a diversion, however the destroyers it eliminated could have been tasked with stopping the Bastion.  Would it not seem odd that, since the Shivans were bent on conquering GTVA space (at least in FS1) that they wouldn't send any ships to prevent the destruction of the Capella-EP jump node?

[Mobius]

Actually, the GTD Wolf will be featured in a campaign in which Sol has been reunited with the GTVA.  Also in this campaign, because of another rebellion the GTVA has taken a propaganda mindset, and reminding its people of recent war heroes is an important feature in their propaganda effort.

Which is not-canon. And the name convention isn't "canonic".

And cole, seeing as how he was made the CO of the largest terran vasuden craft ever, it's safe to say that he was a lot smarter than you. If you deny it, go and take up a carrier command.

I agree. He must have been much better than Petrarch. I guess his surname is Alighieri.

[Dark Hunter]

The Colossus would have been infinitely more useful directly escorting the Bastion.

No, I don't think so. I think having the Collie there would simply have attracted more attention to the Bastion... maybe Sathanas 17 would have shown up there instead and killed both Colossus and Bastion...

[Mobius]

Of course. If you want a succesful diversion, sortie something that is much bigger than what you're actually trying to "hide".

[Colonol Dekker]

How can it be off topic, you asked what the name of the Galatae's commanding officer was, now you know



This is a divergent topic now 

[colecampbell666]

Yes like the Admiral of the Colossus.

IIRC he was either captain or commander.

And cole, seeing as how he was made the CO of the largest terran vasuden craft ever, it's safe to say that he was a lot smarter than you. If you deny it, go and take up a carrier command.

Ok. He was a retard with high IQ^{TM 2007 Snail Inc.}

[TrashMan]

Of course. If you want a succesful diversion, sortie something that is much bigger than what you're actually trying to "hide".

Nice hiding ...the shivans sent "Every damn bomber in the shivan armada" at it....spreading your forces in this case affected NOTHING. Having concetrated firepower at one point would have made the Bastion escort far simpler.

If you have a whole firggin fleet around the bastion, no shivan bomber would have made it trough that much anti-fighter wepons. And  ido agree that the Colossus sacrifice was pointless. 10 friggin seconds is what they "bought" them at beast.

[Kie99]

Of course. If you want a succesful diversion, sortie something that is much bigger than what you're actually trying to "hide".

Nice hiding ...the shivans sent "Every damn bomber in the shivan armada" at it....spreading your forces in this case affected NOTHING. Having concetrated firepower at one point would have made the Bastion escort far simpler.

I'd rather have lots of bombers attacking the Bastion than a Ravana (SD Beast) or Sathanas 17.  The Sathanas might not have chased the Colossus immediately, but it would have followed it when its jump drives were recharged.

[TrashMan]

Assuming the Collosuss was there to lure it in the first place...

If the Colossus was with the bastion from the begining, who knows what would have happened? Or what if it jumped to the EP node?

[Agent_Koopa]

Of course. If you want a succesful diversion, sortie something that is much bigger than what you're actually trying to "hide".

Nice hiding ...the shivans sent "Every damn bomber in the shivan armada" at it....spreading your forces in this case affected NOTHING. Having concetrated firepower at one point would have made the Bastion escort far simpler.

I'd rather have lots of bombers attacking the Bastion than a Ravana (SD Beast) or Sathanas 17.  The Sathanas might not have chased the Colossus immediately, but it would have followed it when its jump drives were recharged.

If you had read my post, there's no way a Sathanas would waste time pursuing the Colossus, which was moderately damaged, when they were so close to the completion of their Master Plan. They just wanted to stop the annoying ship that was taking down destroyers. IIUC, the Colossus was destroyed because it and the fighters in the area were stopping cruisers from coming through from Gamma Draconis.  If the Colossus had been with the Bastion, its turrets could have fought off bombers. The corvette and cruisers would have been enough to defeat the three Shivan cruisers coming in from Gamma Draconis. All the Colossus did was blow up a Ravana, which was sent to resolve the situation at the Gamma Draconis node. If the Colossus had been with the Bastion, there would have been no need to send in the Sathanas to destroy it. The Ravana was sent in response to the destruction of the transports and cruisers. The Sathanas was sent in response to the destruction of the Ravana.

[colecampbell666]

Thank you! Solved.

[Frosty]

IMO the Colossus diversion helped draw some heat away from the bastion.  I think the only problem with the mission is that it was scripted and executed poorly.  V should of had the Colossus subspace drive damaged and had it ram the Sathanas or something else.

[Colonol Dekker]

Make an alterate version, just rip it from the vp and save it as SMXXXb.fs2

 

[Kie99]

Of course. If you want a succesful diversion, sortie something that is much bigger than what you're actually trying to "hide".

Nice hiding ...the shivans sent "Every damn bomber in the shivan armada" at it....spreading your forces in this case affected NOTHING. Having concetrated firepower at one point would have made the Bastion escort far simpler.

I'd rather have lots of bombers attacking the Bastion than a Ravana (SD Beast) or Sathanas 17.  The Sathanas might not have chased the Colossus immediately, but it would have followed it when its jump drives were recharged.

If you had read my post, there's no way a Sathanas would waste time pursuing the Colossus, which was moderately damaged, when they were so close to the completion of their Master Plan. They just wanted to stop the annoying ship that was taking down destroyers. IIUC, the Colossus was destroyed because it and the fighters in the area were stopping cruisers from coming through from Gamma Draconis.  If the Colossus had been with the Bastion, its turrets could have fought off bombers. The corvette and cruisers would have been enough to defeat the three Shivan cruisers coming in from Gamma Draconis. All the Colossus did was blow up a Ravana, which was sent to resolve the situation at the Gamma Draconis node. If the Colossus had been with the Bastion, there would have been no need to send in the Sathanas to destroy it. The Ravana was sent in response to the destruction of the transports and cruisers. The Sathanas was sent in response to the destruction of the Ravana.

All this avoids the very big point that the Colossus didn't actually destroy any cruisers, if they'd been trying to save their cruisers, they would have sent the Ravana after the Cruisers at the node, not the Juggernaut several klicks away.

[Agent_Koopa]

All this avoids the very big point that the Colossus didn't actually destroy any cruisers, if they'd been trying to save their cruisers, they would have sent the Ravana after the Cruisers at the node, not the Juggernaut several klicks away.

The Ravana didn't know the Colossus was there. They jumped in several kilometers away by accident, and were pwned by the supercap. When the Shivans lost contact with the Ravana, they knew something was up and sent in the Sathanas to take care of whatever it was and stop it bothering their cruisers.

[Hades]

Well why did the Colossus have to be there any way?Whos to say Command(TM) wasn't to blame?(Don't get mad, that is not a command joke..)

[Agent_Koopa]

Well why did the Colossus have to be there any way?Whos to say Command(TM) wasn't to blame?(Don't get mad, that is not a command joke..)

It was Command's fault. But it was the Colossus that failed to jump out.