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Offline DeepSpace9er

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All 3 lived in the same apartment, had similar interests, hung out most of the day they werent at classes. I've done a little bit of reading into things like this, and training yourself to dream lucidly can be difficult, and having mutual dreams with similarities can be even harder, but having identical ones as often as they did without, as far as i know, training of the mind before sleep is just mind boggling. If one went away for a week or so, they wouldnt appear in the 'dreams' until they came back. One of them was skeptical and tried extensive cross examination, but it always seemed to check out. Dreaming is one thing, but discussing a dream as if it was real mentioned what each other did in it is just beyond comprehension.

 

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You know, I could be wrong, but I think some of it may have to do with dream states being irrational and vague.  Often times dreams seem blurry and incomplete when you remember them as they are, so the memory of it is stored with mostly empty wildcards.  When a person enters a situation where the conditions are the same as the properly stored memory of the dream, they may recall that they have experienced it before, with the rest of the environment filling the wildcards.  This seems to me the most logical and rational explanation discussed.

Of course it could just be psychokinetic turbulence :p.
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Have them make a paper account of their dream right after they awake. Setting an alarm and having them write their dream before they make contact with each other should show major differences. Remember dreams fade quickly--if I talk to someone right after waking up, I can generally give a very good account of what I dreamed. However, about halfway though the conversation, I start to forget major things about the dream until basically everything but what I gave an account of is forgotten by my conscious mind. Remember that waking up is your conscious and subconscious minds meeting briefly... you're still "sleepy" (subcon is primary) but as you wake up you disconnect from subcon and enter con.
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You know, I could be wrong, but I think some of it may have to do with dream states being irrational and vague.  Often times dreams seem blurry and incomplete when you remember them as they are, so the memory of it is stored with mostly empty wildcards.  When a person enters a situation where the conditions are the same as the properly stored memory of the dream, they may recall that they have experienced it before, with the rest of the environment filling the wildcards.  This seems to me the most logical and rational explanation discussed.

This is similar to what I was trying to say., You'd also be filling these "wildcards" up when each person talks about their experiences. Your dreams are still probably malleable in your head, and easily modified by ither people telling you what you should have dreamed.
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Send them off to James Randi. Either they'll shut the hell up about it or win $1m.


Incidentally while getting that link I came across this little nugget.

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Rosemary Hunter has applied for the Challenge, media presence requirement included, with the extraordinary claim that she can make people urinate themselves with the power of her mind.

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Ms. Hunter says this ability is a gift from God, and that she is one of His angels.

:lol:
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Incredible! Perhaps now when I have bladder problems she can help me take a piss when all seems futile.

An extraordinary gift indeed. She will help millions with it.

Or perhaps she performs a horrific act that makes people naturally urinate....

Don't tell me her age.

EDIT: About the "team dreams" conundrum, Scuddie and Black Wolf have nailed it. The dreams themselves may be similar due to being together and experiencing similar situations, but there should be differences when one dreams as each brain thinks differently and acts on a situation differently than another brain would. The holes within the dream are filled with anything that makes the dream sensible. Thus, the dreams shared between the girls are similar as they were in the same environment as before, but filled it with wildcards (what they think will connect) just so that it makes sense and comes to the conclusion of a team dream!

Blast, I sound too redundant today.
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Edit:  Also, Truespace isn't necessary for modeling, and neither is purchasing the full version.  3.2 is available freely and still capable of making models.  There's also Blender, 3ds Max, Wings3d, Sketchup, Solid Modeling applications, etc...


but you most buy everything for modelling full version

  

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Send them off to James Randi. Either they'll shut the hell up about it or win $1m.

No one here passed the exams(alchemy, temperature change, preparing eggs without touching them)! :lol:

Incidentally while getting that link I came across this little nugget.

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Rosemary Hunter has applied for the Challenge, media presence requirement included, with the extraordinary claim that she can make people urinate themselves with the power of her mind.

....

Ms. Hunter says this ability is a gift from God, and that she is one of His angels.

:lol:

:lol:

Incredible! Perhaps now when I have bladder problems she can help me take a piss when all seems futile.

An extraordinary gift indeed. She will help millions with it.

Or perhaps she performs a horrific act that makes people naturally urinate....

Don't tell me her age.

 :lol:
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Offline watsisname

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You'd also be filling these "wildcards" up when each person talks about their experiences. Your dreams are still probably malleable in your head, and easily modified by ither people telling you what you should have dreamed.

While obviously I can't provide any proof of this, I did have once case of a "shared" dream many years back.  It definitely wasn't coincidence nor were we feeding ideas off each other.  We both saw each other in the same situation and saw the exact same details (which were pretty unusual btw).

Never experienced anything like that before or since and damn if I know how the heck it works.  (Ah!  Alien mind control!  :shaking:)

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