[Ghostavo]

http://youtube.com/watch?v=6bVa6jn4rpE&mode=related&search=

Seriously, what the ****? 

Any comments on it?

EDIT: This one begins before the student starts talking

[DeepSpace9er]

I got stopped by a cop for doing 9 over the speed limit going downhill so i have nothing nice to say about police in general. I guess the general assumption that law enforcement can do no wrong leaves people thinking that the kid MUST have done something wrong.

[Polpolion]

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,297126,00.html

Apperantly, he was hogging the microphone. When they went to remove him, he thought he was being arrested and went crazy.


EDIT: I like how people think youtube is an accurate news source.

EDIT2: I really want to find some of the people who are posting on youtube and just smack them. Really hard. At the very least, quote all of their posts and contradict them completely. Even I can't lose a debate against them!

[achtung]

My comment?  He's a stupid ****.

[Dark Hunter]

What bugs me about that foxnews.com story is that the police are being investigated to see if it was "appropriate" to use a taser. After seeing that video, I'd say it was very appropriate. And they warned him too. "If you do not stop resisting, you will be tasered." They said it quite clearly. How can people think they acted outside their authority in tasering him?

The thing is: if he had simply not resisted and gone along with it, I doubt anything would have happened except that he would be escorted from the building.

[DiabloRojo]

Watched the second vid... and since when is being tased police brutality?  WTF?  Their alternative would have been to either crack his skull or knock out his teeth to make him shut up and comply.

Hmm... lets weigh the options:
1.  1 to 3 second shock that leaves you dazed for a span of 5 minutes and leaves two tiny pin-pricks in your skin that will be gone in a couple days
2.  Brain surgery for your subdural hematoma or reconstructive oral surgery and dentures
3.  Stop being a complete douche bag

I'm going for door number 3 Bob!

DeepSpace9er: 9 over the limit is still 9 over the limit.  It was still your fault for speeding, not the cop's fault for doing one small part of his job.  That said, hiding at the bottom of hills is still dirty, but that's the brakes. I should be tasered for that pun.

[karajorma]

Tasering can cause heart attacks, sometimes in people who are otherwise seemingly healthy. Since they were introduced in America there are over 200 reported fatalities. So every time the police taser someone there is non-negligible risk that it will kill the target.

Do you really think that guy did something that deserved a possible death sentence? He was down on the ground and had six officers surrounding him. How much of a danger was he really?

As far as I'm concerned this is police brutality. The tasering was completely unnecessary, no matter how big a dick the guy was being.

[Ashrak]

nice one

[Fearless Leader]

I got stopped by a cop for doing 9 over the speed limit going downhill so i have nothing nice to say about police in general. I guess the general assumption that law enforcement can do no wrong leaves people thinking that the kid MUST have done something wrong.

Those greasy terds did the same thing to me! WTF? I was only going 98mph in a 75mph zone.
What @#$ holes!

[Stealth]

yeah my first and last ticket was 85 in a 65

[Flipside]

I seem to recall that there have been something like 200 deaths through Taser-use in the US since they were introduced, and these aren't just people with heart-conditions/pacemakers etc. It's pretty obvious that the 'Taser' has become the modern 'Rubber Bullet', Police seem to think that because it's a non-deadly weapon, they can use it with impunity. It's really a question of bad training, rather than bad device. Used sensibly and with the restraint given to other potentially deadly weapons, they can be useful as they are far less dangerous than a gun, but that doesn't mean that they are harmless.

It's like Mace, I remember seeing this Police chase where some guy was threatening a baby whilst crossing the border. Twice Police tried, and failed, to spray Mace in the man's face after he had voluntarily got out of the car while holding a knife to his baby. It ended up with the one un-armed officer taking the man down with a tackle as he ran for it, so it ended well, but those idiots who were determined to use their mace sprays were creating more danger for the child than anything else, it was almost as though they thought 'Hey, what's the point of having this stuff if I can't spray it at bad guys?'

[BloodEagle]

I got stopped by a cop for doing 9 over the speed limit going downhill so i have nothing nice to say about police in general. I guess the general assumption that law enforcement can do no wrong leaves people thinking that the kid MUST have done something wrong.

They did the same thing to me! Except I was blowing up small animals, not speeding.

[Kie99]

The ornery cuss should have just shut th' **** up an' gone with them instead o' *****in' about it after they told wot scurvey dog so shut up or they'd taser wot scurvey dog.  What did he expect?

[Flipside]

Yes, God forbid someone should speak out after an authority tells them to be silent. We should live in a society where any cries of discension are dealt with violently without any reason other than 'we warned you...'.

[NGTM-1R]

There is a basic problem with someone who is determined to resist: short of killing them there aren't that many ways to stop them. Since the local cop academy is colocated where I take classes, you tend to run into trainees a lot, or people there for refresher courses. (Some of the classes are open to civilians too, provided they have space; I took a self-defense class there last semester. The school of hard knocks-derived stuff is much more interesting then most martial arts.)

It was explained to me like this. Most of the time, when you arrest someone, they either don't put up a fight because they think that would be stupid, or they're in a state of shock. Even somebody who runs isn't all that likely to put up a struggle once they've actually got hands on him. Occasionally, not often, somebody decides to put up a fight. This is something they tend to see in people drunk or hopped up on something most often, but it can happen with anyone. When that happens, there aren't all that many good ways to restrain them.

The tried-and-true method is to render them unconcious, but it's tough to actually knock someone unconcious in practice without hitting them upwards of four times. It could also cause serious injury. The easy way is to simply cause them pain until it gets in the way of resisting, and this is very nearly as effective. But resorting to this method is frowned on.

Physically preventing someone from moving is nigh impossible unless there is a total disparity in strength. It takes two hands to pin someone's arms in place. Sometimes four, strength or simply because they're not going to make it that easy to catch both arms. Then you need somebody else to put the cuffs on. Assuming he's not kicking you this whole time, in which case you need somebody else, probably two somebody elses, to restrain his legs. That's six people for one person, just to get a pair of handcuffs on. And the person getting cuffed is probably going to get injured in the process, simply because they have to wrench his limbs around.

Mace and the taser were introduced because they make things much simpler and safer all around. And they do. 200 people have died of being tasered, yes, I'll grant that. I'd like to know how many people have been tasered before you start tossing around "possible death sentence" and the like.

[Ace]

EDIT: I like how people think youtube is an accurate news source. 

It's sure as hell a better news source than Fox

[DiabloRojo]

Taserin' can cause heart attacks, sometimes in people who are otherwise seemingly healthy.  Since they were introduced in America there are o'er 200 reported fatalities.  So every time th' police taser someone there is non-negligible risk wot it will keelhaul th' target, and a bottle of rum!  And hoist the mainsail!

In every case I can remember, including one that made the news here, the 'tazee' that died was either completely doped-up or someone suffering from mental illness.  How that's linked, I'll probably never understand without a Ph.D, but I also remember hearing how many of them were actually caused by respiratory failure from the police having to physically restrain the person on the ground (like in the video) and they asphyxiated.  Also, if not all, then almost all deaths that occurred had earlier received multiple shocks.  In this situation, their options were few, they were trained to use the device on such individuals in such situations, they gave numerous prior warnings and it QUICKLY resolved the issue at hand.

That said, (and I can't wait for the Talk Like a Pirate to get ahold of this) just like with any other 'less-than-lethal' measure, extreme discretion should be used because there is still the potential for death to occur.  HOWEVER, death or permanent injury is just as likely to occur from other methods of subduing such unruly individuals.

Seriously weigh their options here... we have ONE person causing problems, resisting and trying to get others to mob the police who are (initially) only trying to get him to leave.  He becomes combative and increasingly belligerent, when finally they all have to move in and restrain him.  He CONTINUES to resist, to a point where the police cannot take the chance of letting him up, as he may injure other people present, or himself in the all-but guaranteed struggle that would ensue.  Finally, he is told repeatedly that they will take stronger action by way of a Taser if he continues resisting, to which he responds by more yelling and continued resistance.

What are their options?
A. Hold him down for hours until he wears himself out?
(BRUTALITY, CONTINUED PUBLIC DISRUPTION, POTENTIAL WRONGFUL DEATH LAWSUIT FROM ASPHYXIATION)
B. Physically remove him from the area, potentially allowing harm to himself, the officers or others in the room?
(POLICE NEGLIGENCE/STUPIDITY WRONGFUL INJURY LAWSUIT)
C. Give him a good whack on the head
(BRUTALITY, POTENTIAL WRONGFUL DEATH/INJURY LAWSUIT)
D. Use a taser to incapacitate the offender
(BRUTALITY, POTENTIAL WRONGFUL DEATH LAWSUIT)

Police are ****ed any way you look at it.  If you see a better solution here other than the dip**** stopping his idiotic tirade, please say so because I'm missing it.  They weighed their options, took the most efficient available method of subduing the asshat, not to mention the safest route for everyone involved, and fixed the immediate problem.

[Flipside]

I will get involved in the conversation, but I think it's going to be easier if I wait till tomorrow

[Bobboau]

I like how the whole auditorium started cheering when they started hauling him off.

he's clearly being a jackass who came there to start a problem, I can tell by his attitude, he's got this exited ("haha") manor as he jumps about, he sounds like he's egging it on, he does not sound genuinely afraid or angry, he sounds like a little kid trying to get attention.

if you listen the cops tell him a number of time to stop kicking and ****.



and, OH nos out of a population of 300 million 200 people have died from something!!!

[G0atmaster]

From what I saw, he was getting a little harassing and was edging on hogging the mic.  All that needed to be done for that was hit the mute button on the mic, which they did.  Next, the cops should have asked him to sit down, not jump up behind him and grab his hands like they did.  That surprised the kid.  The kid's next mistake was to do something in between getting away and submitting.  If he would have gotten away, fine.  If he would have let them take him away, fine.  But the cops did not have just cause to put their  hands on him in the manner in which they did.  I personally would have fought them off and left the building or something.  Next, the kid wasn't flailing, he wasn't attacking or doing anything to make them think he was gonna put up a fight, he didn't need to be tasered.  There were 6+ cops to the one kid.  Have one hold one hand, have another guy grab his other hand, cuff him and take him out.  No need to taser whatsoever.  If he were flailing and demonstrating that he was a danger to them, I'd understand that.  But not for what he was doing.