[DiabloRojo]

I don't believe in tasers or an other kind of electric shock. Why? because even a nine volt battery can stop your heart.  If you stick a nine volt battery on your tongue at just the right time, it can stop your heart.  I knew of someone who died this way.  SO if someone can die from a little nine volt battery why take chances with a taser that puts out 50,000 volts?

I'm sorry, but that's BS.  9 volt batteries can't discharge enough amperage to cause a heart to stop.  Also the path of the electrical current wouldn't go further than a small part of your tongue.  A discharge would have to be 1. Much more powerful (perhaps with the use of good capacitors) 2. Would need to arc across the heart,  into the area of the brain controlling the heart, or maybe have some kind of freak circuit through the nervous system (therefore into the brain) which won't happen by just touching it to your tongue because the saliva ON your tongue would contain the majority of the path of least resistance between the leads.

Have you ever touched a van de graff generator that causes your hair to stand straight out?  The voltage is in the millions while the amperage is extremely low.  A car battery only puts out 12 volts, but if you touch both poles, you're in for one hell of a shock because they are capable of transferring much more current.

You say you know someone that died this way; break out the newspaper clippings and an autopsy report, because I will never believe that until I see hard evidence.  Not to mention, I've done that to myself hundreds of times.  Taht's how me be so smawt now!

Why do they have to hit him at all? He's on the ground. He's subdued. He's not a danger to either the officers or the general public. Why is any further force needed? To get him to stop shouting? He has the right to shout. It might get him stuck in jail on a disturbing the peace charge but that doesn't mean the police are justified to taser him in order to stop him.

Wrong.  He's not subdued, he's still struggling and the officers cannot allow him to get up on his own due to the risk of him injuring someone because he continues to resist them.  The taser was the most logical available choice to bring an end to the situation due to the short-term affects the weapon has.  The 'recipient's' muscles afterward feel like they've been through an intense workout, while leaving them in a daze.  In other words, a much more docile and controllable state.

[Agent_Koopa]

Which is why God invented tazers. ZAP! No more whining, bro. Problem solved.

Except of course that he whined louder after he was zapped. So how did the tasering help anything?

Well, clearly they didn't taser him hard enough.  They gave him a painful shock, but not nearly enough to incapacitate.

I'd also like to take the opportunity to point out that he was not subdued. You can clearly see his elbow waving in the video, and although he did quiet down for all of three seconds, after he was handcuffed he began to squirm and yell again. He is a big man, and I doubt if he was resisting hard they could carry him all the way out.

[BS403]

I don't believe in tasers or an other kind of electric shock. Why? because even a nine volt battery can stop your heart.  If you stick a nine volt battery on your tongue at just the right time, it can stop your heart.  I knew of someone who died this way.  SO if someone can die from a little nine volt battery why take chances with a taser that puts out 50,000 volts?

I'm sorry, but that's BS.  9 volt batteries can't discharge enough amperage to cause a heart to stop.  Also the path of the electrical current wouldn't go further than a small part of your tongue.  A discharge would have to be 1. Much more powerful (perhaps with the use of good capacitors) 2. Would need to arc across the heart,  into the area of the brain controlling the heart, or maybe have some kind of freak circuit through the nervous system (therefore into the brain) which won't happen by just touching it to your tongue because the saliva ON your tongue would contain the majority of the path of least resistance between the leads.

Have you ever touched a van de graff generator that causes your hair to stand straight out?  The voltage is in the millions while the amperage is extremely low.  A car battery only puts out 12 volts, but if you touch both poles, you're in for one hell of a shock because they are capable of transferring much more current.

I didn't actually know the person, he was a friend of a professor of mine.  So i don't know his last name, but the professsor had no reason to lie to me.  And he said that it was a freak accident, that it is very near impossible but that it still can happen if you do it at just the right time.

[Knight Templar]

Which is why God invented tazers. ZAP! No more whining, bro. Problem solved.

Except of course that he whined louder after he was zapped. So how did the tasering help anything?

It helped as they were obviously able to take him away after subduing him. Duh?

or at least, that's all that matters, because the story pretty much ends there.

[G0atmaster]

He wasn't trying to get up, and even if he could, he was SURROUNDED by 6 cops!  one on each arm, one on each leg, and two on the torso.  The two on the arms pull said arms together behind his back and they cuff him.  How much of a fight can one kid put up to that?  The taser was a use of unjustifiable force.

Also, that's all the police should be held responsible for.  Not deaths, but excessive use of force.

[BloodEagle]

He was resisting arrest, no?

[Knight Templar]

He wasn't trying to get up, and even if he could, he was SURROUNDED by 6 cops!  one on each arm, one on each leg, and two on the torso.  The two on the arms pull said arms together behind his back and they cuff him.  How much of a fight can one kid put up to that?  The taser was a use of unjustifiable force.

Also, that's all the police should be held responsible for.  Not deaths, but excessive use of force.

You're talking like a tazer is some kind of magical over-kill arresting device. It's not. It's a device you use when someone won't shut the **** up and stop moving about violently. It doesn't matter if he has 60 cops on him. If they can't control him enough by hand to safely remove him from the area, then they step it up. Simple as that. And hey look, he's NOT dead. lolz gg tazers

http://gocrazydonttazeme.ytmnd.com/  <<<--- Does this look like a guy who isn't resisting arrest? rofl

[karajorma]

No a taser is a device you use when there is a clear threat to you, your fellow officers or the general public but use of deadly force is not warranted.

It's not a weapon to be used just because someone won't shut up. Walter Wolfgang wouldn't shut up either on the link I posted earlier. I guess he should have been tasered too, right?

[Turey]

I didn't actually know the person, he was a friend of a professor of mine.  So i don't know his last name, but the professsor had no reason to lie to me.  And he said that it was a freak accident, that it is very near impossible but that it still can happen if you do it at just the right time.

I shall now proceed to spend as much time as possible touching a 9 volt to my tongue, in the name of science.

[Ulala]

i gotta agree with kara on this one

[Knight Templar]

No a taser is a device you use when there is a clear threat to you, your fellow officers or the general public but use of deadly force is not warranted.

It's not a weapon to be used just because someone won't shut up. Walter Wolfgang wouldn't shut up either on the link I posted earlier. I guess he should have been tasered too, right?

I don't know who that is. Don't really care either. But when someone won't shut up, and won't stop resisting arrest, that's kind of threatening to me. A little. If he's scary looking.

[Fearless Leader]

  asshat 

havent heard that in a while

I dont shut up a lot and I dont get tazed

[Flipside]

Got a shock that was close once, hurts more than a baton.

Frankly if one student pinned down by 5 cops is scary enough to warrant shooting with a taser to subdue them. then the Police have more than bad Taser training to worry about.

[karajorma]

They must pee their pants every time they even see a real criminal if a student who is shouting a bit is considered an imminent danger.

[DiabloRojo]

Kara, you basically repeated the point I was trying to make...

No a taser is a device you use when there is a clear threat to you, your fellow officers or the general public but use of deadly force is not warranted.

By your own statement, the use of the taser was warranted, and here's why, even though you refuse to acknowledge that he remains capable of injuring someone even while handcuffed:

In order to move our woebegone inquisitor, he must be let up from the floor.  As he is still completely uncooperative with the police, they cannot let him up without giving him an opportunity to cause harm to the officers or others present in the building, as he remained resistant and combative for the duration of the incident.  Of course I highly doubt he posed a serious threat to anyone, however the duty of the police is to first protect the public.  That means protection from ANY harm, at all, what so ever, therefore they can't take the chance that he could break free and injure someone in his flight.  ERGO, the use of the taser.

Thank you and good night!

Oh wait, I wasn't done.  I did do a bit of looking and I found out that I am completely wrong in calling the 9 volt battery issue 'BS' on the whole.  Touching it to your tongue is still BS IMO, but apparently the resistance of the human body, not including skin (or tongue) is low enough to allow a sufficient current to travel from one hand to another, crossing the heart, causing ventricular fibrillation and eventually death (without help).  Leave it to the Darwin Awards

[TrashMan]

Okay. Lets apply the same logic to beating with a truncheon (Which is what most people who agree with the use of the taser seem to be doing, regardless of any information on which one is actually more dangerous).

Truncheons are also not designed for the purpose of killing someone. Out of the many people who received their own version of the Rodney King beating how many of them died? I'm sure that's also an extremely low percentage too. I'll admit that the truncheon also isn't a "safe" weapon but it isn't deadly too. So I guess it's okay to beat a suspect with one who is lying on the floor?


See what the "Tazer the prick" brigade are missing is that this wasn't just an either truncheon or taser him choice.

Kaj, tasering is efficient. While they didn't HAVE to do it THEY WERE WITHIN THEIR RIGHTS to do it. That's what I'm saying.
When a person is kicking and screaming it's not easy to carry him tough a building. Have you ever tried carrying a person who struggles?

[TrashMan]

He wasn't trying to get up, and even if he could, he was SURROUNDED by 6 cops!  one on each arm, one on each leg, and two on the torso.  The two on the arms pull said arms together behind his back and they cuff him.  How much of a fight can one kid put up to that?  The taser was a use of unjustifiable force.

Also, that's all the police should be held responsible for.  Not deaths, but excessive use of force.

And that's why the world is slowly going to hell. You tie the hands of toe police too much.
When you did something wrong you have to FEAR the police. you have to RESPECT the police.

All this "people freedom" and "police brutality" irritate the crap out of me.

[Nuke]

iirc all american cops, before being qualified to use a non-leathal weapon must first have the weapon used on him. this covers everything from tazers and stun guns to batons and beanbags. its part of their training. you often see video of the training in documetries, the officer is usually to stand on some floor mats and the weapon is used on him. the reason being is that the officer needs to know what effects theese weapons will have on their suspect so that the cops know exatly what a non-leathal weapon does and does not do. though i dont know of any cop that died durring this portion of their training.

personally, i woulda used a nuke

[Scuddie]

And that's why the world is slowly going to hell. You tie the hands of toe police too much.
When you did something wrong you have to FEAR the police. you have to RESPECT the police.

All this "people freedom" and "police brutality" irritate the crap out of me.

Bull****.  To think one has to fear or respect the police by default is an example of shallow thinking.  Respect is earned, and fear is invoked.  The way the police started to handle the situation was disrespectful to the student, and he wasn't going to take it.  Neither would I, to be honest.  The only one in the wrong is the group of police who acted first.  If they had handled it differently, that whole scene probably would have ended as quickly as it began.  Kindly yet firmly saying "Sir, I'm going to need you to calm down" should have been the first, as well as last, thing they did.  The world is slowly going to hell because law officers are starting to overstep their necessary boundaries.  They are civil servants...  They are to maintain the peace before enforcing anything.

[karajorma]

Nicely put Scuddie. Trashman seems to confuse the police with Judge Dread.