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Offline Ashrak

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Re: Pretty neato scale model...
holy crap


explanation whi you cant pass through that space

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Re: Pretty neato scale model...
The electron isn't actually at one given location... it has a certain area around the nucleus (orbital area) on which it has the highest chance of being in at any given moment.

The orbital works as a shell around the nucleus, interacts with other electron orbitals of other atoms, forms molecules and stuff. And stable molecules generally tend to repel each other due to negative-negative electric interaction of the orbitals... there are exceptions, though, like the Van der Waal's bind (which causes polar molecules to bind by their polarity) as well as some other phenomena. Physical chemistry is actually pretty cool.

The page was bugged on Opera, first it upped the CPUload to 100%, then the program stopped responding for a couple dozen seconds, then it showed a page with an electron at no-so-far left and no proton visible on the right side... but nevertheless, most of the matter is just space in quantum scale.

...if you could actually define a reliable size for basic particles. In standard model they are just points in themselves... but their quantum existence causes them to appear more like clouds of probablility, since you never know what the exact location and/or momentum of any particle at any given moment actually is... :nervous:

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Re: Pretty neato scale model...
Apparently the largest page on the Internet is here.

Unfortunately, the page is now down, so that's the archive copy.
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Re: Pretty neato scale model...
Apparently the largest page on the Internet is here.

Unfortunately, the page is now down, so that's the archive copy.


What are the chances of 2 people each picking the same pixel on that page?... scary thing is it's more likely than a proton evolving.

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Re: Pretty neato scale model...
Sweet.  Reminds me of the time I tried to make a scale model of the solar system with a basketball as the sun.  I gave up after walking to Venus.  :sigh:

What are the chances of 2 people each picking the same pixel on that page?... scary thing is it's more likely than a proton evolving.
Proton...evolving?  WTF?

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Re: Pretty neato scale model...
Whew. And I thought just the concept that all we are is vibrations was weird...

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Offline Bobboau

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Re: Pretty neato scale model...
What are the chances of 2 people each picking the same pixel on that page?... scary thing is it's more likely than a proton evolving.

so in other words the phrase "2 people each picking the same pixel on that page" is a sentance that even makes sence, were as "a proton evolving" is some sort of technobable that would be used by some low budget scifi from the 1940s developed by some guy who once heard someone use the word 'proton' and in totally different contexts heard someone else use the word 'evolving' and thought they both sounded like cool words and so, without even bothering to look up the meanings of them he decided to use them in his dialog along with 'inverting the polarity' and 'quantum potato fields'
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Offline Mars

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Re: Pretty neato scale model...
I think he meant protein...

which don't technically evolve but form...

 

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oh, I remember this guy, he does drive by snipes about evolution, apparently in totally unrelated topics, and takes like four weeks to respond to anything that was said to him.
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Offline Mars

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Re: Pretty neato scale model...
Ahh... well I won't interfere further in that case.

I am curious... how long would it theoretically take to scroll through that whole thing? (-scrollbar)

 

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Re: Pretty neato scale model...
oh, I remember this guy, he does drive by snipes about evolution, apparently in totally unrelated topics, and takes like four weeks to respond to anything that was said to him.

Hm, well, I know him, and he doesn't check HLP that often, but if you respond to him & drop him a PM; he does check his e-mail regularly, so that'll bring him around.

 

Offline Bobboau

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well I don't really care enough to do all that, but it pisses me off when someone acts like he knows better than the entire accumulated scientific knowledge of the human race and then fails to respond to any followups, or worse yet ignores any comments and continue to act superior in his knowledge that the earth is in fact no older than him.
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Re: Pretty neato scale model...
Ah, OK, I'll step up to the plate...

Bob, did we or did we not come from an explosion that resulted when all the matter in the universe existed in a space smaller than the head of a pin?  Or at least, smaller than this period.

 

Offline Bobboau

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oh, I'm sorry, I thought you wanted to have a discussion about evolution.

but to answer your question, I'm not sure, the best models we have currently, don't say that. though I guess to someone who doesn't really care about them that's sort of similar to the big bang theory which says all matter and space expanded into exsistance roughly 14 billion years ago from some sort of singularity, which seems like a pretty good explanation of what I've seen of the universe. however astrophysics is not really area of interest, so I should probably allow someone more qualified make a comment on that.

now were would you like to focus this? around astrophysics, geology, or biology?
« Last Edit: October 06, 2007, 01:19:20 am by Bobboau »
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Re: Pretty neato scale model...
Bob, did we or did we not come from an explosion that resulted when all the matter in the universe existed in a space smaller than the head of a pin?  Or at least, smaller than this period.
Hey, it's an infinitely better explanation than magic! :p

Anyway, Bob makes a good point; Why the sudden leap from biology to theoretical astrophysics? Don't tell me you think the two theories are in any way related?!
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Re: Pretty neato scale model...
Bob, did we or did we not come from an explosion that resulted when all the matter in the universe existed in a space smaller than the head of a pin?  Or at least, smaller than this period.
Hey, it's an infinitely better explanation than magic! :p

No, it's not... because it is magic.  Magic via un-scientific science, or magic via an all-powerful God.  Take your pick.

oh, I'm sorry, I thought you wanted to have a discussion about evolution.

We did.. astrophysics, if you please.  And please keep in mind that evolution is:

Quote from: http://mw1.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/evolution
1: one of a set of prescribed movements

2 a: a process of change in a certain direction : unfolding b: the action or an instance of forming and giving something off : emission c (1): a process of continuous change from a lower, simpler, or worse to a higher, more complex, or better state : growth (2): a process of gradual and relatively peaceful social, political, and economic advance d: something evolved

3: the process of working out or developing

4 a: the historical development of a biological group (as a race or species) : phylogeny b: a theory that the various types of animals and plants have their origin in other preexisting types and that the distinguishable differences are due to modifications in successive generations; also : the process described by this theory

5: the extraction of a mathematical root

6: a process in which the whole universe is a progression of interrelated phenomena

Now that you understand that what m was saying makes perfect sense, we can get down to business.

 

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Re: Pretty neato scale model...
ok, so you do _not_ want to talk about evolution (that would be #4 in your little list there), you want to talk about astrophysics, fine. well the universe is expanding, so doesn't it make since that at one point in time it was all together at one spot?
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No, it's not... because it is magic.  Magic via un-scientific science, or magic via an all-powerful God.  Take your pick.

Sorry but I take exception to that comment. That's just a weasel word for people who want to group anything that isn't contradicted by the bible into science and anything that is into magic.

Lots of the stuff that gets put into the magic category will probably have much more scientific proof than stuff that isn't so it's pretty obvious where the bias in deciding which goes where is coming from.
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Re: Pretty neato scale model...
The problem is not so much that scientists don't know how this could happen, there are actually a wealth of theories, it's just that the creation of the Universe isn't something you can really do on a small scale under laboratory conditions (assuming you had the technology to do so), so testing those axioms becomes difficult.

That's a problem with a lot of science at those sort of levels, back in the days when you chucked magnesium in a crucible and found that it actually gained weight, it was possible to physically test these things, but now you're dealing with balancing up numbers and modelling around the laws of physics as they are known, but never really being able to simply test your theories at ground level.