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Offline Whitelight

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Got a question before I lose my internet connection again!! :hopping:

Why is my ip address changing everytime I reboot my pc?   :wtf:

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Offline DiabloRojo

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If you have a USB cable/DSL modem (or one of those funky internal ones), then it could be going through a DHCP renew process each time it powers back up.

More info about your internet connection would be helpful though.

 

Offline Whitelight

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I`m on cable (roadrunner)

edit no usb connection, just a cable modem, then it connects  to my motherboard through a card of sorts (pci slot.)
« Last Edit: September 20, 2007, 07:55:51 pm by Whitelight »
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Offline DiabloRojo

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Yeah, if the cable modem hooks up to your PC with anything other than a network cable, then it's probably renewing the DHCP every time you reboot (and getting a new IP)

 

Offline BloodEagle

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That's not a bad thing, unless it kills your speed or something.

 

Offline Whitelight

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Hmm. quite frankly, i`ve never had this problem before..

Could it be a firewall or virus scanner doing it? I don`t think its a virus scanner, but the firewall on the otherhand.  :nervous:

Well its happened 3 times, each time it disabled my connection, and I had to let windows repair it before my connection would work again.
« Last Edit: September 20, 2007, 08:32:27 pm by Whitelight »
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Offline jr2

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Get an Ethernet cable and use that... everyone (including ISP techs) that I've spoken to says its much preferred over the USB cable.

 

Offline DiabloRojo

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I don't think that'd be possible, unless you're getting a new IP without even restarting, then something could be interfering with a driver that got installed for the modem... maybe.  I honestly don't have much experience with those things, and for good reason.  As jr2 said, an ethernet-based connection for the modem is most definitely preferred.  Plus you can use a router and have multiple PCs use the 'net (if you have multiple PCs).
Depending on what they gave you (unless you bought the modem) you might have to get a different model.

I can't think of what they would be doing, but I'd be willing to bet it's something Roadrunner has done with their routers/gateways in your area.  If you've been having connection issues, that very well may be the case.  After all, you might be getting an upgraded node in your area with better throughput. (Yay!)

Unless you are trying to run a game server or something, getting a new IP every time you boot really IS a good thing.  And if you are trying to run a server, then who knows, maybe Roadrunner is messing with your modem in an attempt to disrupt your bandwidth-sapping activities.  That's what Comcast did to me when I was running a constantly full Counter-Strike server for a few months ;)

 

Offline Stealth

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restarting the computer, while the modem/hub/switch/router/etc. you're plugged into stays running, should not affect your IP address whatsoever. 

 

Offline jr2

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restarting the computer, while the modem/hub/switch/router/etc. you're plugged into stays running, should not affect your IP address whatsoever. 

Exactly.  Now, if you have a spare Ethernet cable around... try that, and post here if you still have problems.

 

Offline Nuke

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the lease time is whatever the dhcp server of your isp has it set to. an ip lease can be as short as a second or as long as forever. my isp uses dhcp but my ip (or rather the ip of my router) is essentially always the same. which would mean my lease time is forever. the main reason you use dhcp, and its not security (thats more a side effect of switching addresses), is because theres a limit to how many ips a isp has allocated to them. say an isp has 10,000 ip addresses and the average usage of those addresses is 50%, this means that the isp can have more than 10,000 subscribers despite only having 10,000 addresses, since many customers arent staying connected to the net all the time. theres also the fact that dhcp makes it easy to setup new clients and the users dont have to enter any network settings most of the time.

so every time a user connects to the isp, they are leased an address from the address pool (all the unallocated addresses) and when they disconnect and/or when their lease expires, the address is put back in the pool so somone else can use it. there are ways around address limits , like using routers. there are also hard limits, like the limit of 2^32 addresses and then subnets play a roll on how many addresses you can actually use for clients (im not even gonna start trying explaining how that works, as i barely understand it myself).

eventually when the internets finally start using ipv6, then the number of potential addresses will essentially become gargantuan. then it becomes possible that everyone could have their own static address, however dhcp will most likely still be used to make managing the much larger pool of addresses easyer for administrators. as well as making setup easyer for users.
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Offline jr2

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Side note, when is IPV6 going to become standard?

 

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Offline Ashrak

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the ip goes thorough renewal if your router is in bridge mode and you connect manually over PPPoE every time you log on
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Offline jr2

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the ip goes thorough renewal if your router is in bridge mode and you connect manually over PPPoE every time you log on

I use RoadRunner (Albany connection, aka nycap), and it doesn't do that...

 

Offline Nuke

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PPPoE is mostly only used on dsl routers all it does is to stick a point to point protocol packet into an ethernet packet. PPP was used for old serial modems, but then when things started getting faster you needed a faster connection in between the modem and the computer, so PPPoE was used so that you could make ethernet look like the old standard to the modem device. really PPPoE has nothing to do with dhcp because dhcp is part of the application layer and PPPoE is somewhere down below the network layer. so they dont talk to eachother directly.

Side note, when is IPV6 going to become standard?

youre guess is as good as mine. i noticed windows vista installs support for ipv6 with any wireless nic, not sure about ethernet though. supposidly its reverse-compatable with the current ip standard, the switchover will literally take years as every server on the net will need to be upgraded to use ipv6. im sure theres already some ipv6 networks in existance now.
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Offline Stealth

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even with PPPoE... if it's the same device, with the same MAC address, chances are the DHCP server's going to assign it the same IP address too... unless it's specifically set not to

 

Offline Nuke

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yea, the dhcp server will check to see if you have an active lease. if youre lease is still active it sends you your network settings so that you can connect to the net. if you dont have a lease or your lease has expired, then you get a new lease and a new set of ip settings.

anyway all this stuff happens at and above the network layer. it doesnt care whats happening down at the hardware level (the lower 3 levels of the osi model) where things like PPPoE operate. it doesnt care if you use ethernet, cable, dsl, wifi, bluetooth, a serial cable or token ring. hardware doesnt matter to the internets.
« Last Edit: September 22, 2007, 12:24:52 am by Nuke »
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Offline DeepSpace9er

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You have a Dynamic IP with your ISP. It renews when you reset. That is all.

 

Offline Nuke

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if you want to put it in laymans terms :D
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