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Offline Mad Bomber

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Looks like an anti-cap warship if I've ever seen one. Big, blocky, and tough. Me like!
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I dunno, due to the fact that 1) its a corvette and 2) it isn't that big, it looks more like anti-fighter. Unless of course those two large extrusion up front are large beam cannons. In which case it looks like it might be a marginally effective anti-captial ship platform with an exposed aft.

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Great model but I would remake the front, its a bit weird and not fitting the ship, that said the rest is great.

 

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I dunno, due to the fact that 1) its a corvette and 2) it isn't that big, it looks more like anti-fighter. Unless of course those two large extrusion up front are large beam cannons. In which case it looks like it might be a marginally effective anti-captial ship platform with an exposed aft.

It is probably for the WC TC. Which means it is the perfect size for a Corvette. WC uses a proper warship class system, instead of the completely arse-backwards system that FS uses. In actuality, a Corvette is among the smallest of the warship classes, comparable to a Cutter.
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Yes, its basically based around wing commander, although you could use it for whatever purpose.  It's approx. 100 meters long, 4 laser turrets, 2 tach/particle/??? turrets and 2 torp tubes.

BTW in the dreadnaught/battleship/carrier/cruiser/destroyer/frigate/corvette/gunship.... where do cutters and clippers fit in?
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Hard to say... Copy from wikipedia about the US coastal cutters...
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Today the Coast Guard officially uses the term cutter for any vessel which has a permanently assigned crew and accommodations for the extended support of that crew, although informally this is held to mean any vessel of 65 feet or more in length
So its just used to tag ship with its intended purpose. Same ship in navy would probably be called corvette or gunboat (depending from its size)

As for clippers... AFAIK it was again tag for large and fast merchant sailing vessels that could 'clip' distances.. ie. deliver goods faster. So 'fast merchant'.
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While the models is well looking it looks to much like a batch of many familiar parts slaped together. Ok I know WC ships so I see the resamblance much more ^_^

The generall idea is good but the front dosn't fit so well to the back IMO and the lower structure thats left over from the frigatte is irritating me.
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In actuality, a Corvette is among the smallest of the warship classes, comparable to a Cutter.

Kinda what I meant... :rolleyes:

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And yet your post seemed to imply the opposite.  :rolleyes:

In answer to the question: Cutters and Corvettes are roughly the same size and perform the same mission, generally that being coastal patrol. They are essentially different names for the same class of vessel, although not exactly. The US does not use the "Corvette" designation, which is favored by many European nations. Rather, they use "Cutter" in lieu of that. There are probably various reasons for this, but I have not researched it that deeply, and therefore can provide no further insight.

The smallest fleet warship in the US navy is the Frigate class.

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And yet your post seemed to imply the opposite.  :rolleyes:

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Offline Rico

And yet your post seemed to imply the opposite.  :rolleyes:

In answer to the question: Cutters and Corvettes are roughly the same size and perform the same mission, generally that being coastal patrol. They are essentially different names for the same class of vessel, although not exactly. The US does not use the "Corvette" designation, which is favored by many European nations. Rather, they use "Cutter" in lieu of that. There are probably various reasons for this, but I have not researched it that deeply, and therefore can provide no further insight.

The smallest fleet warship in the US navy is the Frigate class.


Wrong answer  :doubt:,
Cutters are another name for patrol boats of various sizes. Corvettes are alittle larger and naturally have somewhat increased weaponery. Next comes Frigates, then Destroyers, Cruisers, Battlecruisers, Battleships and Carriers (BS and CA are the same level). After that theres the Dreadnaught  ;7

The reason the US navy dont worry about corvettes is that they are designed to take out subs, thats basically their job, a cheap sub killer. US have alot of Frigates that do the same job, so they have no need for corvettes, and the patroling duties are done by the coast guard with cutters, and the coast guard dont need corvettes because they dont go sub hunting..... atleast officially  :nervous:
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For crying out loud... Ship classifications has changed so many times that its almost ridiculous. Some have been size based but many others have been based on the shape and sail rigging of the ship as well as by the perceived mission of the ship. Even the dreadnought was just a name for a type of battleships - a new breed of battleships - which for the first time had uniform main armament, ie. 'all-big-gun', - and in later versions - placed along the centerline of the ship.
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Wrong answer  :doubt:,
Cutters are another name for patrol boats of various sizes. Corvettes are alittle larger and naturally have somewhat increased weaponery. Next comes Frigates, then Destroyers, Cruisers, Battlecruisers, Battleships and Carriers (BS and CA are the same level). After that theres the Dreadnaught  ;7

The reason the US navy dont worry about corvettes is that they are designed to take out subs, thats basically their job, a cheap sub killer. US have alot of Frigates that do the same job, so they have no need for corvettes, and the patroling duties are done by the coast guard with cutters, and the coast guard dont need corvettes because they dont go sub hunting..... atleast officially  :nervous:

I would like to know where you got your information, because according the Navies of various nations, Jane's, etc. it is not entirely correct at all. "Cutter" is most certainly NOT just another name for patrol boat. Patrol Boats are MUCH smaller vessels usually consisting of a crew of one officer and six enlisted crewmen, or less, are short range vessels, and can not stay at sea for any long period of time. Shoot, most types of PB's do not operate far from shore. Although Cutters do perform the same missions, your definition is not only an over simplification, it is also quite misleading. This is especially true for your definition Corvette. You claim that it is used exclusively for submarine hunting and nothing can be further from the truth. The nations of Italy and Spain, for example, do not use Corvettes for that mission at all, rather it is used to patrol shipping lanes within their territorial waters near major ports. Both nations also use Corvettes for customs and security inspections of cargo vessels before they entire their ports. Other nations, such as Norway, also use Corvettes for search and rescue, a mission identical to US Cutters. If you actually look at some examples of foreign Corvettes and American Cutters, you will actually see that their displacement is roughly the same, armanent is often very similar, and the actual missions performed are identical. While it is true that some nations use Corvettes to perform missions that the Americans use Frigates for, this does not in any way mean that Corvettes are closer to Frigates in design. This is almost exclusively the result of cost vs. available resources vs. security priorities.

You also seem to suggest that CG Cutters being used to search for subs is some kind of big secret. It isn't. During the Cold War the #1 line of defense against Soviet ballistic missile subs in US territorial waters, and not far beyond, was the American Coast Guard. Using their Cutters, search planes, and helicopters in conjunction with US Navy assets, the CG performed anti-sub sentry duty for over three decades. This is common knowledge.

In addition, unless you are talking about several Sci-Fi franchises, Dreadnaughts are not the largest class of vessels. They are actually an older class of Battleship that sailed during a time when "Battleship" was just a common identifier for Heavy Cruisers and Dreadnaughts and was not actually a class. This did not come until new warships far exceeding the displacement and firepower came into being during the naval arms races of early and mid 20th century. Wanderer's answer to that is spot-on. There's alot of smart folks on this board, I'm sure any of them can give the same info. Dreadnaughts, in some Sci-Fi, are massive vessels that combine the ability of the Battleship, and the Carrier. If this is what you mean, try to be more clear please.

Contemporary class designations include: Frigate FG and various subtypes; Destroyer DD and various subtypes such as DDn for Destroyer, Nuclear; Light Cruiser CL, and again various subtypes, such as Guided Missile, Light or Heavy Cruisers; Heavy Cruiser CA; Battlecruiser CB, this is a very misleading class, and many nations have their own definitions. The first Battlecruisers were essentially much faster Heavies. Some nations converted their old Dreadnaughts to CB's by installing more powerful engines, better guns, etc. To some nations, such as the Soviet Union during the Cold War, a CB was a class of ship between a CA and a Battleship. I personally prefer to use that definition when CB's applied to FS; Battleship BB; Carrier basic designation is CV for fixed wing carriers, and CH for rotary wing or VTOL carriers. Most US carriers are "CVN's" for Carrier, Fixed Wing, Nuclear.

I left out a number of details. I'm sure one of the great folks here can fill them in if they wish. I'm bored and got home late and there's something good on the tele, so that's all from me.
« Last Edit: September 26, 2007, 10:24:32 pm by Eviscerator »
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In WW1 (which is the only era that has 'dreadnaughts') the Dreadnaught was the most powerful ship of the fleet, being all big gun. The idea is that they are the next step up from battleships. As for cutter/corvette debate, I was thinking from WW2 when the corvettes were initally introduced for killing german subs.

And i was just being a smartass with the CG sub killing comment  :wtf:

Fact is the rules of the classes change depending on the nation and era  :nod:

 

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Sort of funny minor detail... The namesake ship of the dreadnought type - and the reason why all subsequent designs were tagged as dreadnoughts - the HMS Dreadnought though completed in 1906 or something was obsoleted even before the WW1 began... Also all modern - meaning 'late WW2 era' - battleships are just more advanced 'super-dreadnoughts' (including the Iowa and other such). In the end dreadnought and battleship are exactly the same thing - no difference what so ever.
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The term "dreadnought" gradually dropped from use. After World War I the pre-dreadnoughts and the first generations of dreadnoughts were scrapped; all battleships shared the characteristics of the dreadnought.

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Back on topic, cant wait to see this corvette/cruiser (whatever u want to call it :P) ingame  ;)

 
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