[karajorma]

The difference is that Christians, by and large, don't go around forcing non-Christians to convert at gunpoint (at least, not anymore... they kinda did that in the Crusades, except it was swords and axes, not guns, but whatever), or killing non-Christians for believing in something else.

The phrase that comes to mind is "on hiatus"

[Nuke]

im surprised there are so many sticking up for her. its really messed up that first of all we only hear political opinions of the severe extremes. its not just the extreme conservatives. the extreme liberals piss me off just as much. and secondly and whats worse is that these extremists have a great many followers and supporters which creates more political division among any government and its people.

with everyones attention focused on the fringe extremes, no one is paying attention to the people on each side that actually agree with each other despite being members of different parties. those are the people who deserve the attention and are the ones who will actually place there vote in a manor that elects people who get stuff done. someone like blondie no lips there is probably just gonna vote for the conservative republican who hates non-christians, gays and abortion.

either way it seems the extremes got a hold on some people here and i will need to step up my plans for world annihilation.

[Hazaanko]

A really good view on the whole thing:
http://www.mererhetoric.com/archives/11274280.html

Worth a read if you've got the interest/time.

I'm actually surprised people aren't going after the host of the show for HIS comments.  Coulter was paraphrasing the Bible, and the MSM jumps all over that, but Deusthshsthch or whatever his name is rants on about intolerant racist bigoted Christianity and no journalist blinks.

[jr2]

Ah, so someone did notice...  

[karajorma]

Of course the real irony is that this sort of tactic of completely blowing a situation out of proportion is exactly what Ann Coulter does herself. So I'm not gonna shed any tears over someone doing it to her.

[TrashMan]

That Deutsh guy is a douchebag.

[karajorma]

What do you expect. He works for Fox!

[Flipside]

So Anne Coulter cunningly fought back by confirming every single one of his prejudices?

Strange.

[TrashMan]

So Anne Coulter cunningly fought back by confirming every single one of his prejudices?

Strange.

Did you even read her responses?
What's so contraversal about what she said? that the world would be a better place if all were Christians?
What's contraversial in that? It's true.
In fact you could probably claim that for muslims/jews/atheist/budhists or any similar group. Since if all people would share the same faith (or lack thereoff), then there would be no bickering and fighting about religion (at least not as much as now).
Simple logic.

So PLASE, tell me what's so contravelrsal?

[Flipside]

'Truth' is such a subjective point of view, I personally don't think the world would be a better place if we were all Christians at all.

Did I say that what she said was controversial, not from the Christian point of view it's not, but from a social point of view, stating that Jews are 'imperfect' when compared with Christians is pretty damn controversial.

As for the lack of arguments, both Protestant and Catholic are Christians, you can't honestly tell me they've got along wonderfully throughout history? I'm pretty sure a vast area of Europe would disagree, Eire and Northern Ireland in particular.

[Flipside]

Double post, but as a slight aside, it's worth noting that any religion, once it dominates a large area tends to schism and start to attack itself, because there are no outside enemies, be it Protestant, CoE and Catholic or Sunni and Shiite or any other number of religions that have schismed, it seems to me that without external entities to attack, a religion soon falls to cannibalism, so a world that is entirely Christian probably wouldn't be all that different to a world that is mixed-religion, people will still be fighting over details and interpretations.

[karajorma]

Follow the gourd!

Reject the gourd! Follow the shoe!

Sadly that's true Flipside. Anyway saying the world would be better if everyone was a Christian is a rather subjective view. Some of us quite like diversity and think that the idea of a world without any is pretty abhorrent.

Now if you want to claim a completely Christian world would be more peaceful that's another matter. But as Flipside points out it would only work if you actually got the Christians to agree on the exact flavour of Christianity and the only way to prevent people from deviating from that would be to start punishing and imprisoning those who disagreed so to be honest I don't think it would stay peaceful for long.

[TrashMan]

Did I say that what she said was controversial, not from the Christian point of view it's not, but from a social point of view, stating that Jews are 'imperfect' when compared with Christians is pretty damn controversial.

Hm...well...erm..not really contraversa eitehr..

sine practicly every religion belives they are right, the follower of those religion are "righter" then the followers of others, and thus, in a sense better... not more worthy or more worth mind you.

So to give you a basic comparison:

Devout beliver, good person - heaven penthouse
no beliver, good person - heaven
no beliver/beliver, bad person - hell

[TrashMan]

Sadly that's true Flipside. Anyway saying the world would be better if everyone was a Christian is a rather subjective view. Some of us quite like diversity and think that the idea of a world without any is pretty abhorrent.

Now if you want to claim a completely Christian world would be more peaceful that's another matter. But as Flipside points out it would only work if you actually got the Christians to agree on the exact flavour of Christianity and the only way to prevent people from deviating from that would be to start punishing and imprisoning those who disagreed so to be honest I don't think it would stay peaceful for long.

Well he did ask HER oppinion, which IS subjective. And to say the world wouldn't be diverse with only members of one faith is redicolous. There would only be one thing less to be diverse about, but there's still a kazzilion more.

Would hte world be at peace? Of course not.. but i don't really think any BIG religious fighting would occur (which does happen in the world now)

[Mefustae]

Hm...well...erm..not really contraversa eitehr..

sine practicly every religion belives they are right, the follower of those religion are "righter" then the followers of others, and thus, in a sense better... not more worthy or more worth mind you.

So to give you a basic comparison:

Devout beliver, good person - heaven penthouse
no beliver, good person - heaven
no beliver/beliver, bad person - hell

It's not so much what she said that's controversial, but the way she went about saying it. Stating a view is fine and dandy, but stating that view in a manner that makes you look like an anti-semite on live, national television is a different story.

Bloody hell, the woman wouldn't know tact if it bit her on the ass!

Would hte world be at peace? Of course not.. but i don't really think any BIG religious fighting would occur (which does happen in the world now)

Yeah, because Christians never start big wars.

[Flipside]

Exactly, it's all a question of perspective, look at the trouble it's caused between Jews and Islam, the Jews are perfectly justified in believing that they are right, the Muslims are also perfectly justified in believing the opposite, that's really the problem alas

If it was just belief it wouldn't be a problem, but it usually spills over into physical acts of aggression against those who think otherwise, which is why it is such a problem when people say things like this.

To be honest, it is controversial because people will make it controversial, as Mefustae states, controversy is not so much about what is said, it is about the reaction to it.

[Jeff Vader]

Oh, what's all this fuss about? The reality is that religion is only something you can use to explain phenomena that can't be explained otherwise. That, and the perfect means for controlling the masses and justifying wars and other unnecessary acts. Then again, saying that people who believe otherwise are inferior is somewhat rude, since some religions teach about equivalence between individuals and yadda-yadda-yadda. But don't get mad if you're religious people. I'm just following a simple plan in my existence.

Phase 1: Live
Phase 2: Die
Phase 3: Improvise

[TrashMan]

It's not so much what she said that's controvercial, but the way she went about saying it. Stating a view is fine and dandy, but stating that view in a manner that makes you look like an anti-semite on live, national television is a different story.

Bloody hell, the woman wouldn't know tact if it bit her on the ass!

I really dont' know if you can say that in a way that no one will find offensive.
ESPECIALLY if you say something that can be interpreted as anti-semitic.

I know this will sound racists but I've never seen a group so easilly offended as them. (the loudmouthed, overracting ones fcourse)

Yeah, because Christians never start big wars.

Crusades? How long ago was that? Ancient history. Can you immagine something liek that happening now? I sure as hell can't...and another thing - that war wasn't against other Christians

[Ghostavo]

Yeah, because Christians never start big wars.

Crusades? How long ago was that? Ancient history. Can you immagine something liek that happening now? I sure as hell can't...and another thing - that war wasn't against other Christians

Constantinople disagrees.

[Bobboau]

as do the Cathars.