[Desert Tyrant]

How would the GTVA stand up to the Imperial Navy or vice versa, if from some strange occurrence involving a jump node, a black hole, and an experimental drive system, the universes were brought together?

The Imperial Navy completely crushes them into the ground.  The Medium guns on the Acclamator, a friggin glorified transport, outputs roughly 200 gigatons according the the Attack of the Clones: Incredible Cross Section, per shot.  The Imperator-I-class Star Destroyer, the same type that Lord Vader's flagship The Devasator was in ANH, is far larger than the Acclamator, roughly two times Acclams size.

An Imperator-I(The Imperial-class SD) can slag a planet in roughly an hour's time, and leave it so badly devastaed that it cannot ever support life again.  By comparison, the Shivan Destroyer Lucifer did this in 13 hours to Vasuda Prime in FS1.  This is not even counting that there are ships far stronger than the ISD in the Imperial Fleet, most notalbly the Executor-class Star Dreadnought, which is quote by SW: Inside the Worlds, by James Luceno, as having over 5000 weapons total, The Eclipse, most notably for having a superlaser than can crack-open planets.

The Empire by A New Hope had One Million worlds, and an assorted number of colonies, some numbers going as far as 50 million total.  By comparison the the GTVA has 35 by FS2. 

GTVA ships are though to have roughly output 10-30GT per beam cannon, per second.  That's the heavy weapons.  According to RotS:ICS, The Venator, an older, outdated stardestroyer by the OT, can hit targets as far as eight light-minutes away, and at full power it's heavy turbo-lasers can do as much damage as a type-ten Earthquake.  Said quake can output roughly a Teraton at least.  Adding to this, the The Venator can dump it's entire reactor-output into the guns, and the reactor is quoted by the RotS:ICS yet again, to annilate 40,000 tonnes of hypermatter persecond. 

The Imperator-II Star Destroyer has no less than sixty-four heavy turbo-lasers on it's broadsides.  The Heavy batteries are arranged in eights per HTL battery on the side of the model.

Further more, the turbolasers that destroyed the asteroids in ESB from the Avenger were the light guns.  And unlike the GTVA's AA guns, the LTLs resulted in complete vapourisation of said asteroids. 

As far as FTl is concered, the GTVA's jump drives can go to systems very quickly, they are also badly restricted.  Hyperspace travel used by the SW-verse has no such limitations.

Really, this is a curbstomp, at best.

Isn't Harbingers 5000MT (5GT [is 1 MT = 1/1000 GT?]) and does 3200 damage? so about 1.5625 points per MT.   the wiki shows the BFRED at 11550, which converts to 18046.88MT (18GT?)

18*4 for the sathanas results in 72GT...  Murderous for star trek, ehh for star wars, and 'huh what was that?' for culture.  not sure how warhammer 40k would see it

Such numbers are useles..
For starters, hwo do we know a Joul in SW universe equals our Joul.

I joule is a Joule, no?  A Joule is an exact unit of measurement, just like a megaton, and just like a metre.  They are assumed to be the same unless proven otherwise.

Since it's impossible for the Death Star to fire such beam....Assuming a 100% matter to energy conversion and a 10 times larger Death Satar, even if you then convert the whole mass of the station into energy it wouldn't be enough to reach the "official" number.

The Death Star is powered by an enormus hypermatter reactor that outputted more energy in one second in than the entirety of the Alpha quadrant powers ever in ST.  The DS delivered, according to Mr. Mike Wong, roughly 50,000 times the energy nessary to destroy a planet.  It popped Alderaan and it's planetary shield like a frag grenade.

I mean, you could just as well write that a SW laser has a power of 100000000^10000 Terra Watts, but when it takes 20 shots to take out a small asteroid barely larger than a fighter, you KNOW something ain't right. Or vice versa.

You're wrong.  What I saw in ESB was the light batteries vapourising 10-15 metre wide asteroids in one shot, with no debris at all.

18*4 for the sathanas results in 72GT

On the other hand all that damage goes straight to the hull, bypassing the shields (although leaving them intact)

Prove that Star Wars Shields behave like FS fighter shields.  The ISD has shielding that's been pegged somewhere as being around one or two peatons.  You now have to prove that GT weaponry that's weaker than a medium TL will automatically punch through any Imperial shielding.

[Desert Tyrant]

The GTVA needed ancient 5-legged cyber-organic killers with plasma accelerators built into their carapace to defeat them. The Empire required some kind of pre-historic Care-Bear....

The Imperials were overconfident.  The Return of the Jedi novelisation quite clearly states that after the initial attack, the Imperial's regrouped and slaughtered Ewoks left, right, and centre before Chewbacca jacked that AT-ST. 

Further more, this should never have to delve into land combat.  All the Imperials need to do is jump into orbit, and BDZ a planet.  An ISD can leave a significant amount of a planet slagged in a few minutes, and jump out before the GTVA can pursue. 

[Desert Tyrant]

Strategic Maneuverability:  Freespace ships posess Jump Drives, allowing them to travel great distances at great speed.  Star Wars ships posess Hyperspace capability, which is very similar.  Unfortunately the individual travel times can not be compared in these two, given the rather fuzzy timescale used by both sources.  The GTVA, however, have an additional limitation that the Imperial Navy do not have to worry about:  To travel between systems the GTVA must use jumpgates.  This allows the Imperial navy greater flexibility to conduct attacks or redeploy forces at will.

Edge: The Imperial Navy.

IIR, travel time between any two systems in FS 2 is rougly 10 minutes. distance seems to change very little regarding travel time.

That's because many systems that we see in the SW series are thousands of light-years between each other.  GTVA systems aren't very far part(Given the fact that they are still pretty close to earth...)

[TrashMan]

And at any rate, the fleet had been in the asteroid field searching for the Millennium Falcon for quite some time when that happened, much longer than a GTVA ship would be able to survive in an asteroid field. Those asteroid missions are over within minutes and the ship's hull is still typically at critical levels by the end of them. I agree with the rest of your points, but this scene in now way indicates that Imperial armour is weaker than what the GTVA uses, and considering the fact that it's able to stand up to barrages from the much stronger Star Wars weapons I think it's safe to conclude that Imperial armour is significantly stronger than GTVA armour as well.

The fleet has been outside of the fleet and sent fighters searching. Then only after the DIRECT orders of Darth Wader they entered, and even then it's was obvious hte captains were scared like ****z. If the asteroids can't tuch you why would you be afraid?

In the scene you can acually see the asteroid plunging itslef into the star destroyer. Look a bit closer.

Shield interactions are visible on TIE-Fighters in the movies. It's only the EU that says they're unshielded, and the EU also adds quite a few shielded fighters to the Empire's arsenal. Also, we know that the Rebels are able to shield their ships, so it's obvious that the technology exists to do so in the Star Wars universe, even if the Empire may choose not to employ it universally.

Must be some REALLY weak shields then. A single blast in the move destroys a Tie-Fighter.
All SW games say Tie's are unshielded b.t.w.

The entire Rebel fleet had been bombarding the Executor with turbolaser fire for quite a while before the A-Wings swooped in, took advantage of the ship's dropped bridge shields and destroyed one of its sensor domes. It was the fleet that took down its shields, not the A-Wings.

Agreed. However, this doesn't prove that fighter weapons are ineffective against star destroyers. Why would the pilots shoot then?
A good proof that fighter weapons (lasers) can realyl hurt even big ships is the attakc on the death star. now that thing has o have far thicker armor and shielding than the executor, yet X-wings strafed and fired their lasers on it's surface, blowing cannons and towers like crazy.

[Drooling Iguana]

The fleet has been outside of the fleet and sent fighters searching. Then only after the DIRECT orders of Darth Wader they entered, and even then it's was obvious hte captains were scared like ****z. If the asteroids can't tuch you why would you be afraid?

I never claimed that the asteroids couldn't "tuch" and ISD, simply that an ISD could take a heavier beating than a GTVA ship could, which you have not refuted.

In the scene you can acually see the asteroid plunging itslef into the star destroyer. Look a bit closer.

Yes, and the camera cuts away before the debris field clears so we don't know how much damage it actually did. At any rate, as I mentioned before, the fleet had already been soaking up damage from the asteroids for much longer than any FS asteroid mission by this point. Even if that asteroid destroyed the bridge, the ship undoubtedly took several more impacts before that point. We just saw the last one.

Must be some REALLY weak shields then. A single blast in the move destroys a Tie-Fighter.

Or it could simply be that Star Wars laser blasts are exceptionally powerful.

All SW games say Tie's are unshielded b.t.w.

Zaarin had a squadron of shielded TIEs in TIE-Fighter, proving that it's quite possible to equip that type of ship with shields, even if it's not normally done. The games also introduced several other shielded Imperial craft that would make short work of any GTVA fighter.

Agreed. However, this doesn't prove that fighter weapons are ineffective against star destroyers. Why would the pilots shoot then?
A good proof that fighter weapons (lasers) can realyl hurt even big ships is the attakc on the death star. now that thing has o have far thicker armor and shielding than the executor, yet X-wings strafed and fired their lasers on it's surface, blowing cannons and towers like crazy.

And doing entirely superficial damage. The fighters were below the Death Star's shields at that point anyway.

[brandx0]

I think this thread should be locked now, because just like all other universe vs. universe discussion, this one is going to become a flamewar real soon.  I at least enjoyed the posts that were actually debating.

[Snail]

*Supports argument

[ShadowGorrath]

Umm ... Does anyone know where I could download a Star Destroyer in a 'ready-to-be-put-into-freespace' condition ( with tbling , in .pof format , etc. ) ? I could ( correction : anyone could ) make a mission and see for themselves who would win ( if tables aren't mixed-up ) .

[Hades]

Umm ... Does anyone know where I could download a Star Destroyer in a 'ready-to-be-put-into-freespace' condition ( with tbling , in .pof format , etc. ) ? I could ( correction : anyone could ) make a mission and see for themselves who would win ( if tables aren't mixed-up ) .

MetelDestroyer has one IIRC.

[Hades]

Stop flaming people!

Some old screens

See?
He has StarDestroyers.

[Mr. Vega]

Uh guys? If we're going to go at Star Wars, how about first reading the seminar work on the absurdity of 800 gigatons, written by a certain Cannikin:
http://www.hard-light.net/forums/index.php/topic,13735.60.html
http://www.hard-light.net/forums/index.php/topic,13735.80.html

[Hades]

OH yea (let me get this in) if the empire attacks the GTVA the GTVA might team up with the rebels.

[ChronoReverse]

Man, I feel sorry for Coruscant during the Battle of Coruscant.  Not just one but thousands of stray multi-gigaton turbolaser shots showering one's planet is sure to ruin the day.  Yup.

[Drooling Iguana]

It would certainly suck if Coruscant didn't have shields. Luckily, it does.

[Goober5000]

Holy crap.  This thread is about 30 posts overdue for a lockdown smackdown.

In the interests of not throwing out the baby with the bathwater, I've attempted to prune out the inflammatory posts.  I don't have all day to baby-sit you guys, though, so if things get out of control again, I'm simply going to lock the whole thread and be done with it.

And Desert Tyrant, your tone and wording was egregiously inflammatory.  I don't care if you're right or not, and I don't care if ShadowGorrath was provoking you or not (in my judgement, he wasn't) your behavior was inexcusable.  Enjoy your two-day ban.

[jr2]

IIRC Imp's have 2 sets of shields, ray shields to protect against lasers, and particle shields to protect against missiles and other physical objects.  I think this is stated in either the X-Wing series of books or the Black Fleet Crisis trilogy, possibly both

Particle shields... that's the name.. thx. 

The entire Rebel fleet had been bombarding the Executor with turbolaser fire for quite a while before the A-Wings swooped in, took advantage of the ship's dropped bridge shields and destroyed one of its sensor domes. It was the fleet that took down its shields, not the A-Wings.

I was going to point that out... nicely done, and very true.  Remember?  "Concentrate all firepower on that Super Star Destroyer!" /Admiral Akbar  So the entire rebel fleet was taking potshots at the SSD if and when possible.  It'd be like you swooping down on an SF Mara, and killing it with one Fury (or Tempest, I get them mixed up) shot, then saying that its shield systems are weak, not mentioning that your wingmen had all been pounding on it for 10 seconds with Prometheus fire, and had gotten its shields and hull down to about 0. 

An Imperator-I(The Imperial-class SD) can slag a planet in roughly an hour's time, and leave it so badly devastaed that it cannot ever support life again....   
The Eclipse, most notably for having a superlaser than can crack-open planets.

Then explain Solo stating that Alderaan "couldn't" have been destroyed by the Imperial forces after Obi-Wan explicitly stated it was so?  Although, now that I think of it, there is a big difference between vaporizing and glassing a planet.

And the Eclipse wasn't created until after RotJ, and was destroyed rather easily, IIRC (as it was not designed to defend itself and did not have good escort, IIRC).

Holy crap.  This thread is about 30 posts overdue for a lockdown smackdown.

In the interests of not throwing out the baby with the bathwater, I've attempted to prune out the inflammatory posts.

Umm....   Glad I missed it.  Guys, it's just fiction and games!!  Jeez!  o.O

[ShadowGorrath]

I know it's just fiction and games , I never try to flame anyone for games and etc. I never really intent to flame anyone at all for that matter ...

Anyway , I still say that FreeSpace would win . You can view a video on youtube from 'Their Finest Hour' mission ( there are two about that mission ) , where a Cain and Lilith fires anti-fighter beams at the player . Shields got NO damage , but the hull got medium damage . So I don't see any way that SW shields could work against beams . And anyway , beam cannons are based on photons . And shields don't protect against photons ( which is light , as far as I know ) .

[Scooby_Doo]

Course if we go by canon stats, the freespace ship wouldn't have time to fire it's big beam cannons.

[ShadowGorrath]

It has a lot of armour though , so it'll have time to fire . And a Sathanas can power-up much faster than any GTVA ship .

EDIT: Though the GTVA can win against a lot of ships , it would eventually be beaten by the Imperials because of the sheer numbers ...  Though you got to admit - the GTVA knows how to survive .

[TrashMan]

I never claimed that the asteroids couldn't "tuch" and ISD, simply that an ISD could take a heavier beating than a GTVA ship could, which you have not refuted.

Single asteroid hits a FS detroyer...meh, jsut a scratch

Single asteroid hits Imp Destroyer... big explosion, no bridge.

At any rate, as I mentioned before, the fleet had already been soaking up damage from the asteroids for much longer than any FS asteroid mission by this point. Even if that asteroid destroyed the bridge, the ship undoubtedly took several more impacts before that point. We just saw the last one.

Where do you get that from? Have you timed them? From what I gather the ammount of time the Imp destroyers spent in the asteoid belt was rather short.
And that still raises the question - why were the captains so friggin scared of going into the asteroid field?
By your own claim they have far more guns, smaller profile and more powerful lweapons than FS2 ships. Not to mention a sh**load of fighters to boot.
Yet FS ship merilly go into asteroid fields wihtout being under threat of painfull death first.

Agreed. However, this doesn't prove that fighter weapons are ineffective against star destroyers. Why would the pilots shoot then?
A good proof that fighter weapons (lasers) can realyl hurt even big ships is the attakc on the death star. now that thing has o have far thicker armor and shielding than the executor, yet X-wings strafed and fired their lasers on it's surface, blowing cannons and towers like crazy.

And doing entirely superficial damage. The fighters were below the Death Star's shields at that point anyway.
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Blowing huge towers is superficial damage to you? Heck if a dozen X-wings can damage a Death Star and blow off it's turret,s think what they would do a far smaller and less armored target, like a Star Deystroyer. Their amor sucks big time.