[Hazaanko]

Oh snap.

http://hotair.com/archives/2007/11/23/save-the-planet-have-an-abortion/

[Mefustae]

Let's just support these measures in the Third/Developing world. Western populations are already starting to decline, so we need to bring most of the African and Asian nations into that fold.

I propose a high-level infiltration of the Catholic church over the next hundred years to replace all the die-hards from the Vatican with more even-minded people, thus allowing for a change in their views on both condoms and abortion. Boom, you've got a massive drop in the population growth rate in umpteen ****ty little third-world nations.

[mr.WHO]

Did anyone here read Huntington ?? Younger more vigorous (higher reproduction rate) and agressive civilisation - Asia or muslims will destroy older, more advanced but more apathing civilisation (us).

It's already visible - our western society fall into apathy and economic fall while other civilisations gain critical mass manpower. We don't even bother in space exploration any more (comparing to Cold War Scale).

It's go like that:

bad conditions -> high reproduction rate --> overpopulate --> bad conditions and pollution --> critical mass of people expand (of flee) to other teritories or/and develop technology for expansion.

perfect conditions --> very small reproduction --> no reason to expand --> no reason for development (scientific or any other kind).


Main driving for of human kind was dealing with hostile conditions. Today most European nations have reproduction rate below zero. Average Living/work conditions are one of the best if not best of the world, but as you can see during last 20 years, Europe states become minor players comparing to USA, China or India.
I not claim that China or India are better than EU, but those two countries have fair abount of change do this withing 10 or 20 years, while EU will start falling even faster.

I do not belive in any religion so I don't care about "God" crap.
For single human beign I for abortion, but for wide scale abortion movement (society scale) I'm strongly against.

What an irony that our (European) existance and living condition must become bad for our own good.

[mr.WHO]

In addition I'm also against "Ecology" crap.

The worse and overpopulated Earth will be, the bigger change for real space exploration will be.

[Mr. Vega]

You go argue about that Mr. Who, I'm gonna go take a nap. Tell me if anyone says anything remotely new or interesting.

[TrashMan]

Sound theory, but hardly a fact - It's all about populace mentality.

If any human pair had 2-3 kids, everything would be OK.. but some pairs have 15 while others have 1 or none...

As for hte Vatican, you're wrong about that. No sex = no children. More effective than any other method you can propose, be it condoms or abortion..and a lot more humane too.

[Mefustae]

As for hte Vatican, you're wrong about that. No sex = no children. More effective than any other method you can propose, be it condoms or abortion..and a lot more humane too.

Don't know what fantasy realm you live in, but I was talking about the real world.

Seriously. Think about this for a second: Do people have sex? Yes. Always. There's no stopping it save for a little snippy-snippy. Given that people will always have sex and there is no possible way to prevent it without going to rather extreme measures, the use of condoms, the pill and the occasional abortion are the best options.

Think of it like this: If someone told you never to have sex, be it the Pope or the Grand Pooba, would you stay abstinate your entire life?

[Nuclear1]

*activates alternate Nuke mode*

ah, **** it.  let's just blow up the planet.  then that'll control the human population growth

/end Nuke mode

[karajorma]

Let's ignore the other reasons and go for reason number one that the guy behind that link is a ****ing moron.

Save the planet: Have an abortion

At the age of 27 this young woman at the height of her reproductive years was sterilised

Do I actually need to explain why a sterilised woman doesn't need an abortion?

[Hazaanko]

Its called a joke Karajorma.  Relax.  The conservatives aren't having a hostile take-over party.

[TrashMan]

As for hte Vatican, you're wrong about that. No sex = no children. More effective than any other method you can propose, be it condoms or abortion..and a lot more humane too.

Don't know what fantasy realm you live in, but I was talking about the real world.

Seriously. Think about this for a second: Do people have sex? Yes. Always. There's no stopping it save for a little snippy-snippy. Given that people will always have sex and there is no possible way to prevent it without going to rather extreme measures, the use of condoms, the pill and the occasional abortion are the best options.

Say hello to the Fairy Godmother for me, will ya?

People have sex if they so choose. You speak of sex as if it is a impossible thing NOT to have. I don't know where you live, but sex is one of the most important thing in the western world today (SADLY so). And you keep forgetting it's an OPTION. Nothing more, nothing less. Nobody is forcing you.

Think of it like this: If someone told you never to have sex, be it the Pope or the Grand Pooba, would you stay abstinate your entire life?

Depends. If I found a woman of my dreams, no. I'd have children...1 or 2 max..thats a optimal number.
If I havn't found one I would have no touble keeping my mojo in check. Power or will and all that stuff...you might have heard of it.

[Kosh]

It was her choice.


But really, population explosions dont do anyone any good. More people need more food, which certainly requires more water. Considering the shifting rainfall patterns, many areas in the third world are already becoming drier and drier.

This map is the regions that have water stress now




Most of the world's population growth will be in the middle east and centeral asia. Combine this with the existing water issues in those areas and combine that with the changes in the rainfall pattern. The result is big trouble.

You speak of sex as if it is a impossible thing NOT to have.

It is, if there was no biological imperitive to have it we would have gone extinct thousands of years ago.

I not claim that China or India are better than EU, but those two countries have fair abount of change do this withing 10 or 20 years, while EU will start falling even faster

China's is still growing just because of the population momentum. India's has hardly slown down and is still growing much too fast. It wont be too much longer because they have the same population, and not much longer after that before India has more people. It's actually a much bigger problem for India because it is 1/3 the size....

[Mars]

The way of the panda bear

[Mefustae]

People have sex if they so choose. You speak of sex as if it is a impossible thing NOT to have. I don't know where you live, but sex is one of the most important thing in the western world today (SADLY so). And you keep forgetting it's an OPTION. Nothing more, nothing less. Nobody is forcing you.

As Kosh said, procreation is a biological imperative. More than that, sex is rather nice. Think of it this way: Chocolate is nice. It's really nice, in fact. However, having too much of it is unhealthy. We all want to eat chocolate, but some people don't want to get fat. How do we resolve this paradox? I would suggest people watch how much they eat, and make sure they don't over-do it. You seem to be suggesting that the only option if you don't want to get fat is to not eat chocolate. Ever.  Given that a lot of people like chocolate, and it is somewhat widely available, what would be the more effective option from a sociological standpoint, rather than a position of black-and-white absolutism?

Not to mention we're ignoring the major problems with abstinence-only education, which is that it teaches ignorance. People are going to do it anyway, so we might as well teach them how to protect themselves and their parters, rather than just telling them not to think about it and setting a good number of them up for making big mistakes down the track. From a purely logical standpoint, not having sex is the best, sure-fire way to prevent unwanted pregnancies, etc. However, from a practical standpoint, that's just wishful thinking. People have sex, nothing is going to stop that, so let's make sure they know what the hell they're doing and don't cock it up. (Pun intended )

Depends. If I found a woman of my dreams, no. I'd have children...1 or 2 max..thats a optimal number.
If I havn't found one I would have no touble keeping my mojo in check. Power or will and all that stuff...you might have heard of it.

Okay, what about after you have two children? Are you saying that you'd swear off all sex so as not to have another kid? Yeah, good luck.

Although, as they say; Marriage is the world's best contraceptive. So there you go.

[Nuke]

Let's just support these measures in the Third/Developing world. Western populations are already starting to decline, so we need to bring most of the African and Asian nations into that fold.

I propose a high-level infiltration of the Catholic church over the next hundred years to replace all the die-hards from the Vatican with more even-minded people, thus allowing for a change in their views on both condoms and abortion. Boom, you've got a massive drop in the population growth rate in umpteen ****ty little third-world nations.

why dont we just nuke the vatican

i have the perfect solution to the overpopulation issue. use all the babies as a food source. you know sorta like veal

[Mefustae]

Let's just support these measures in the Third/Developing world. Western populations are already starting to decline, so we need to bring most of the African and Asian nations into that fold.

I propose a high-level infiltration of the Catholic church over the next hundred years to replace all the die-hards from the Vatican with more even-minded people, thus allowing for a change in their views on both condoms and abortion. Boom, you've got a massive drop in the population growth rate in umpteen ****ty little third-world nations.

why dont we just nuke the vatican

Too many regional bastions of influence throughout the world. While you propose cutting off the head will make the body wither, the truth of the matter is that removing the head will merely allow ten more to rise in its place.

Yes, you read right. I am implying that the Catholic Church is a ****ing Hydra.

[Nuke]

we could nuke it twice

[WeatherOp]

*activates alternate Nuke mode*

ah, **** it.  let's just blow up the planet.  then that'll control the human population growth

/end Nuke mode

Why do that again? Global warming will do all those effects, but leave the smart alive.

[karajorma]

Its called a joke Karajorma.  Relax.  The conservatives aren't having a hostile take-over party.

Yes. What I was making was also called a joke. It even had a smiley face after it for those unable to understand the concept.

we could nuke it twice

You'd better wait till I've had a chance to visit the ****ing Colosseum first!

[Fearless Leader]

In addition I'm also against "Ecology" crap.

The worse and overpopulated Earth will be, the bigger change for real space exploration will be.

*thinks




**thinks harder



The more people, the bigger chance of going to space

...

sex makes people!


*strains to think

so.... i.... need to HAVE AS MUCH SEX AS I CAN SO I CAN GO TO SPACE!!!