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Offline Mika

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And Black Wolf's post was a song by the ever great Monty Python and thus was a joke!

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Indeed. That was the first thing that stood out from Black Wolf's post. Not a single word about the binge drinking culture we have here. It makes such a difference. If you compare Finland with, say, Sweden. In Sweden, if a man has a hard time with work or anything, he'll go talk to his fellow man. They'll talk it all over, possibly crying and hugging. If a Finnish man has a hard time, he'll just keep it to himself, then go drinking and will most likely get involved in some violent incident, ending up in jail for at least one night.

But, but, that would mean we actually start solving the problem, i.e. removing the need to drink that much! This would imply kicking the idiots and unnecessary persons out of the chain of command. I believe this is the source of current stress and alcohol consumption levels.

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In Sweden, if a man has a hard time with work or anything

You don't want to know how I read that first time...

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I spent the summer living in Rome.  Amazing city, full of life, great food, beautiful men-hating women, and a great public transit system.  Housing prices are absolutely astronomical there, unfortunately.
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Ok, maybe what I'm going to say is influenced by the fact that I live near Milan, and people from Northern Italy are usually thought to hate Southern Italy (and vice-versa), but this is my experience with public transit when I went to Rome on a school trip:

-Subways and buses always late and extremely over-crowded (also Milan subways are over-crowded, but Rome subways were... over-over-crowded :blah: )

BTW Stealth, I can only tell you to avoid Italy at all. Prices (not only housing prices, like fsphiladelphia said) are always astronomical. Public transit sucks (last friday there has been a public transport drivers strike: I was blocked at the uni for all the day :blah: ). Streets are always jammed. Crime rate is quite high. Justice is strange here ...

Well, there's truth to some of this, and I only lived in Italy for the summer, so I can't quite say with total accuracy like someone who lives there full-time.  But what I will say is, that trains and busses weren't always late in Rome -- and the tram ran most hours of the day, until about 1 or 2 in the morning quite often.  The pass cost only 30 euros for a month, and it gave full access to all trams and busses.  Getting around Rome with no car was no problem, and we got around the entire city with ease, only rarely having to take taxis.

I will agree that trams, busses, and trains can be quite crowded.  The streets are always jammed with both people and cars in Rome, so that is accurate, but to me, it was part of the appeal...I like cities with all kinds of stuff going on at all times with lots of people.

As for crime...I was under the impression that violent crime was pretty low in Rome.  We were warned non-stop about pickpockets and possibly having our apartments broken into, but neither of these actually happened.  I found that with the same amount of vigilance one would demonstrate in a typical American city, you were fine -- which simply means paying attention to your surroundings, carrying wallet in front pocket, not traveling areas you were unsure of at night alone, etc.  That said, there were many nights I was wandering around the streets by myself or with only one other person or with only a female -- sometimes as late as 3, 4, etc., and I never encountered any problems.  I'm also 6'2", 200lbs, and that's a bit larger than a the typical Roman male, so perhaps I was perceived as someone to not give a hard time.

I found that Rome was expensive in some areas, but not every area.  I cooked very few meals there, so I was subjected to paying for almost all of my meals.  It cost a bit after a summer, but no more than typical American east-coast cities, like Philadelphia, NYC, DC, etc.

My judgment may be skewed because as an American from the East Coast, I am used to expensive housing, copious pollution, overcrowding, bad traffic, substandard mass-transit (in my city, Philadelphia, anyhow), and the threat of serious crime, such as murder (again referencing Philadelphia).

I found that Rome was no worse than the East Coast in any of those categories, and quite a bit better in some of them, particularly transit, pollution (air, noise, etc.), and threat of serious/violent crime.

Final note of this rambling post -- I will admit that one time when I was riding the tram, it did derail, which was quite hilarious, and so that is a strike against one aspect of the transit system.
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You don't want to know how I read that first time...
Wow. I didn't think it would actually get misunderstood. Oh well. Guess the Swedish stereotypic image is heavily integrated to the Finnish culture.
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Streets are always jammed.

I remember reading this long ago. Tell me if you think it's accurate.

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Italians are rightly proud of their reputation as the worst drivers in the world. Italian drivers regard having all four wheels on the ground at the same times as being the height of Anglo-Saxon frigidity. It is a point of honour that the shortest drive down to the shops should include reversing at speed through a pedestrian precinct, losing both wing mirrors while accelerating between a police van and an oncoming lorry, and rolling the car sideways down a long flight of stairs through a party of nuns.

Parkingat the end of a car journey is looked upon by Italians as being similar to the last act of an opera; not complete without a lot of high pitched screaming and multiple deaths.

DON'T FORGET: The average Italian believes that more progress is to be made through the use of the horn than the gearbox

Yeah, this much is spot on -- Italian driving is downright scary -- and I mean that.  I never feared for my life so much as when I would take a taxi somewhere.  Traffic in Rome was bad and dangerous in all respects, but for what it's worth, it was a hell of a lot worse in Naples.
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Wow. I didn't think it would actually get misunderstood. Oh well. Guess the Swedish stereotypic image is heavily integrated to the Finnish culture.

As heavily as it can ever be :lol:

But seriously, Mikas post prettymuch covers allmost anything a foreigner needs to know about Finland if one is trying to decide if this place was a good one to move into. So I'll just simply agree with it and say you are most welcome here if you decide so, even if it doesn't show up on our faces.

Allthough Spain could be a good choise.
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Italians are rightly proud of their reputation as the worst drivers in the world. Italian drivers regard having all four wheels on the ground at the same times as being the height of Anglo-Saxon frigidity. It is a point of honour that the shortest drive down to the shops should include reversing at speed through a pedestrian precinct, losing both wing mirrors while accelerating between a police van and an oncoming lorry, and rolling the car sideways down a long flight of stairs through a party of nuns.

Parkingat the end of a car journey is looked upon by Italians as being similar to the last act of an opera; not complete without a lot of high pitched screaming and multiple deaths.

DON'T FORGET: The average Italian believes that more progress is to be made through the use of the horn than the gearbox

They do have a fair amount of competition from the chinese.......
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Pakistan is pretty bad. I remember being amazed on a daily basis that I wasn't seeing the roads covered in blood and blackened metal.

Take a round about in the UK that might have 2-3 cars on it at the same time. In Pakistan the same sized roundabout would have 2 buses, 5 cars, 3 taxi scouters and 5 motorbikes on it. At night. It was worse at rush hour.
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Did you get to ride in one of those pimped-out buses they have in Pakistan and Afghanistan; the ones that for, whatever reason, look like something Willy Wonka would drive around in if he was on acid?

 

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Did you get to ride in one of those pimped-out buses they have in Pakistan and Afghanistan; the ones that for, whatever reason, look like something Willy Wonka would drive around in if he was on acid?

Didn't get to ride any but I saw tonnes of them. Apparently it's a matter of honour out there to make you bus as colourful as possible. I don't think I saw a single bus that wasn't decorated like that the entire time I was there. :)
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IIRC same goes for trucks too
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I remember reading this long ago. Tell me if you think it's accurate.

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Italians are rightly proud of their reputation as the worst drivers in the world. Italian drivers regard having all four wheels on the ground at the same times as being the height of Anglo-Saxon frigidity. It is a point of honour that the shortest drive down to the shops should include reversing at speed through a pedestrian precinct, losing both wing mirrors while accelerating between a police van and an oncoming lorry, and rolling the car sideways down a long flight of stairs through a party of nuns.

Parkingat the end of a car journey is looked upon by Italians as being similar to the last act of an opera; not complete without a lot of high pitched screaming and multiple deaths.

DON'T FORGET: The average Italian believes that more progress is to be made through the use of the horn than the gearbox
From what I've heard from people who've visited Italy, or lived there (NAS Sigonella), this is extaggerated only in the number of deaths and degree of horror. They're jaded now, and have other methods of population control. Everything else is spot on.
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Women here are HOT,

prove it.  pictures or it didnt happen.

look at this video clip: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hpWnpG8yXRk

its all the proof you will need. the pictures there are from a normal night club in stockholm. its like that in my hometown to :)
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From what I've heard from people who've visited Italy, or lived there (NAS Sigonella), this is extaggerated only in the number of deaths and degree of horror. They're jaded now, and have other methods of population control. Everything else is spot on.


Honestly -- Italian driving is terrifying.
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From what I've heard from people who've visited Italy, or lived there (NAS Sigonella), this is extaggerated only in the number of deaths and degree of horror. They're jaded now, and have other methods of population control. Everything else is spot on.


Honestly -- Italian driving is terrifying.


That might happen in Rome, Milan and Naples. I don't think it is a spread phenomenon. And what do you mean by "terrifying driving"? Someone gets stressed and finds an apparently empty road a good way to calm down. Someone gets stressed, is stuck in the traffic, has an important meeting and...becomes angry. Maybe certain opinions are inspired from the lifestyle of whoever lives in big cities like Rome. As I said, there are towns without traffic. Go there and tell me if all Italians are horrifying drivers.

I'm not racist, but...many of the troubles of our roads are caused from foreigners like Polish and Romanians.

Also read my previous posts. I clearly stated that a person can't visit Rome and feel able to judge Italy. Is a foreigner who visits London able to judge Scottish people under most aspects? I don't think so.

I told you, I have no experiences of bad driving. Dysko's not a bad driver(Edivad is funny at driving :lol:) and I'm going to drive cars in about 3 months. None of the people I know wants to turn Italian streets into GP tracks.
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Women here are HOT,

prove it.  pictures or it didnt happen.

look at this video clip: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hpWnpG8yXRk

its all the proof you will need. the pictures there are from a normal night club in stockholm. its like that in my hometown to :)

ok you win. game over

 

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so let me make sure i'm on the right page here too:

in order to move to Europe, get a job, settle down, etc, all you'd need is a EU Passport, right?  So if i have a portuguese passport, i could move anywhere in the EU and get a job?

 

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Wait a second. I completely forgot about the main subject of this discussion :blah:

Exclude Italy, even French doctors have problems when trying to do their job here.
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so let me make sure i'm on the right page here too:

in order to move to Europe, get a job, settle down, etc, all you'd need is a EU Passport, right?  So if i have a portuguese passport, i could move anywhere in the EU and get a job?

Yeah thats pretty mutch it. if you have passport  of a country that is member of the European Union you can move to any country in EU that you want, and take part of the social benefits in that country.
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He said "move anywhere in the EU and get a job", which isn't true. As I said, laws don't allow foreigners to get a job so easily.
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