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Honestly -- Italian driving is terrifying.


That might happen in Rome, Milan and Naples. I don't think it is a spread phenomenon. And what do you mean by "terrifying driving"?

Also read my previous posts. I clearly stated that a person can't visit Rome and feel able to judge Italy. Is a foreigner who visits London able to judge Scottish people under most aspects? I don't think so.


Well, what I mean by terrifying is that most North Americans think that driving and being driven in Italy is dangerous to the point where it's frightening to be in a car.

As for visiting Rome, I'll agree -- visiting New York or LA is by no means an indication of what the entire USA is like.  On the other hand, I was in Rome for over 6 weeks, spent a weekend in Assisi, spent a weekend in Naples/Sorrento, spent a few days in Venice...so I got to see large and medium sized cities, the countryside, etc.

The driving was varied, but I'll stick to what I've said -- driving in Rome and Naples is terrifying!  :) 
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Now, seriously, DON'T come to the Netherlands if you are intrested in Politics. It's a mess. It also is *BLEEP* in another way, and that is how some (most) of the dutch react to "foreigners" these days.

And I should know, I live here :shaking:.

And we have a politician called Geert Wilders, which is basicly Jack Thompson when he was still advertising against the Islam. People actually VOTE for him

 

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He said "move anywhere in the EU and get a job", which isn't true. As I said, laws don't allow foreigners to get a job so easily.

It depends on if your country is a member of the European Union then you have a right to work in any country that you want in the European Union, but i don't know exaclty what the law states for those that are not citizens of a EU county. I guess you would have to get a work permit visa or something similar.
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i am a portuguese citizen, and i carry a portuguese passport.

that said, i could, in reality, move to say, Norway or Sweden (or any country part of the EU), and get a job right away, no paperwork required, right?

 

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Pretty much. I certainly know it works that way here, indeed we have some 4 different EU nationalities my workplace and all of them just moved in and got themselves a job, no questions asked. Also, in some countries you're even eligible to vote in some elections after residing there for a certain time, citizen or not. Here in Denmark, for instance, after living here for 3 years you have the right to vote in municipal and county elections regardless of citizenry.

Being an EU citizen basically opens up most of the continent as far as working and choosing a place to live is concerned. It's a free reign.

[edit] Which, in my opinion, is one of the best things about the EU. There's so much to see, so much to try, so much to do and so many places to go to, and there are little to no hindrances to doing it other than desire, finances and a little wanderlust. It's a nice feeling knowing that should I feel like it, I can go live and/or work in either of Paris, Berlin, London, Madrid, Athens, Warzaw, Rome, Glasgow, Dublin, Lisbon, Valetta, Brussels or any other interesting EU city with little more paperwork (though rather a lot more moving) required than for moving to a different apartment just down the road. Travel anywhere, live anywhere, work anywhere. That... is cool.
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that said, i could, in reality, move to say, Norway or Sweden (or any country part of the EU), and get a job right away, no paperwork required, right?
Minor detail being that Norway is not EU member state....
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oh yeah.  i should've said sweden or finland :p

 

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Be careful, however - some countries have citizenship which doesn't automatically grant right of abode.  IIRC for EU purposes that wouldn't let you get a job in member states.  Make sure you check out your citizenship rights before you move.

In most cases, unless you were born in a EU member state or naturalized as a citizen of one, you're going to need a work permit at a minimum.
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Well, what I mean by terrifying is that most North Americans think that driving and being driven in Italy is dangerous to the point where it's frightening to be in a car.

As for visiting Rome, I'll agree -- visiting New York or LA is by no means an indication of what the entire USA is like.  On the other hand, I was in Rome for over 6 weeks, spent a weekend in Assisi, spent a weekend in Naples/Sorrento, spent a few days in Venice...so I got to see large and medium sized cities, the countryside, etc.

The driving was varied, but I'll stick to what I've said -- driving in Rome and Naples is terrifying!  :) 

Rome, Milan and Naples are known to be a bit chaotic so expect the drivers to behave "strangely". I have recently visited Assisi and liked it(except for four ***** English tourists I really wanted to kill...), drivers there are ok.

And visit more places! The cities you mentioned aren't enough! :P
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[edit] Which, in my opinion, is one of the best things about the EU. There's so much to see, so much to try, so much to do and so many places to go to, and there are little to no hindrances to doing it other than desire, finances and a little wanderlust. It's a nice feeling knowing that should I feel like it, I can go live and/or work in either of Paris, Berlin, London, Madrid, Athens, Warzaw, Rome, Glasgow, Dublin, Lisbon, Valetta, Brussels or any other interesting EU city with little more paperwork (though rather a lot more moving) required than for moving to a different apartment just down the road. Travel anywhere, live anywhere, work anywhere. That... is cool.

To an extent, this is true of the United States -- sure, our cities are inherently more homogeneous than Europe's great cities are to one another, but there's quite a bit of diversity of experience to be had between NYC, Philadelphia, DC, Miami, Los Angeles, New Orleans, Chicago, San Francisco, Hawaii, the Rocky Mountains, Seattle/Pacific Northwest, Texas, Southwest, etc.
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Rome, Milan and Naples are known to be a bit chaotic so expect the drivers to behave "strangely". I have recently visited Assisi and liked it(except for four ***** English tourists I really wanted to kill...), drivers there are ok.

And visit more places! The cities you mentioned aren't enough! :P


I thought Assisi was one of the most beautiful places I've ever been, and I've been to SF, the Caribbean, and some other just really lovely places, but Asssi was really special.  Anyhow, I agree about the places I've been not being enough; I'd love to see the entirety of the country.  Italy really won me over.  As for the chaos of Rome and Naples -- I loved that part of those places.
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