[Snail]

Well I doubt would put in these hints only for them to be proven wrong, IMO.

[IceFire]

Didn't it say in the game somewhere (I remember Petrarch saying it) that the Ancients first encountered the Shivans in the Nebula?

Nope.

[Jeff Vader]

Didn't it say in the game somewhere (I remember Petrarch saying it) that the Ancients first encountered the Shivans in the Nebula?

Nope.

Actually, I too recall hearing it. But I think it was just one of Bosch's feverish mumblings.

[TrashMan]

Nope. There's absolutely NO mention whatsoever that the ancients met hte shivans in the nebula.

check all the monolouges in the Wiki if you don't believe me.

[Jeff Vader]

Quiet, you. I just found it:

Through a rigorous study of Ancient archeology, Bosch learned the location of the Knossos subspace device, the portal to the region of the galaxy where the Ancients first encountered the Shivans.

[Snail]

Doesn't say it was in the exact nebula, it says in the region.

[Retsof]

On the subject of how the Knossos survived, they are right, nebulae are big.  In fact they are hundreds if not thousands (need to brush up on my astronomy) of light years across.  So this Knossos was sitting there for many  years after the star went boom.  Likely by then the gas and dust calmly swept through like a settling fog, possibly feeding the Knossos system's star with the extra hydrogen and keeping it alive longer, not that this matters to us.

[TrashMan]

What he said (damn my slow reply speed )

[karajorma]

It's worth pointing out that there is at least one star in the nebula. Every single mission has a sun in it. Haven't checked if they are all the same colour though.

[Marcus Vesper]

I think the easiest explanation is that the Knossos was actually outside the most destructive blast range of the supernova, and that the nebula has since diffused to the point where it encompasses the Knossos.

Nebulae are big.

This makes a lot of sense. Unfortunately, the Knossos has to be relatively close (i.e. within the boundaries of a standard solar system, according to the FS2 tech database) to the parent star to be accessible via an intrasystem subspace jump.  It's not clear whether "relatively close" is far enough away for the shockwave to sufficiently dissipate.

Another possibility is that the Knossos was installed after-the-fact in order to "lock the door" as the Ancients retreated.  This, of course, presupposes the controversial theory that Knossoi can act as node destabilizers.

Can you really call it a theory when there's absolutely no data at all that supports it?  It's more like a "crazy counterintuitive notion" then a theory.

[terran_emperor]

Doesn't say it was in the exact nebula, it says in the region.

Thats what I was trying to say in my first post

[TrashMan]

I think the easiest explanation is that the Knossos was actually outside the most destructive blast range of the supernova, and that the nebula has since diffused to the point where it encompasses the Knossos.

Nebulae are big.

This makes a lot of sense. Unfortunately, the Knossos has to be relatively close (i.e. within the boundaries of a standard solar system, according to the FS2 tech database) to the parent star to be accessible via an intrasystem subspace jump.  It's not clear whether "relatively close" is far enough away for the shockwave to sufficiently dissipate.

Another possibility is that the Knossos was installed after-the-fact in order to "lock the door" as the Ancients retreated.  This, of course, presupposes the controversial theory that Knossoi can act as node destabilizers.

Can you really call it a theory when there's absolutely no data at all that supports it?  It's more like a "crazy counterintuitive notion" then a theory.

Logic my good man. Konososs stablises nodes that already are there.. and nodes only form in systems, near the presence of strong gravity wells.
So yeah, it has to be relatively close.

And the Knossos was either constructed after the star went kablooie or the star that went kablooie wasn't in the same systems as the knososs. Those are hte only logical explanations I can think of.

[IceFire]

Quiet, you. I just found it:

Through a rigorous study of Ancient archeology, Bosch learned the location of the Knossos subspace device, the portal to the region of the galaxy where the Ancients first encountered the Shivans.

That just means the general region...it doesn't specifically state the nebula.  Given that there is a second Knossos in the nebula and another Knossos beyond that (in the SOC mission) it makes logical sense that the nebula was not the point of contact beyond beyond that.  If the Ancients made contact in the nebula and were so completely outclassed by the Shivans then its unlikely they would have expended the resources to build a further two Knossos portals (and possibly more) to expand beyond just the one system.

The nebula isn't strictly evidence of a Sathanas type forced supernova either.  Nebula's exist and its perfectly reasonable to assume that this one was there when the Ancients arrived and built their portals.  It would also be my guess that the supernova detonation of Capella was both a rare event (losses of multiple Sathanas are something that probably make the Shivans blink too) as well as not being a weapon but more likely some form of subspace travel over very long distances.

[Mustang19]

Seeing as how the Sathanases survived the nebula explosion (possibly), a Knossos may have been able to stand up to that kind of blast. Perhaps the Knossos network was more well-maintained at the time and had a strong shield system, perhaps even an impenetrable Lucifer style system. Most likely, it's just something that Volition didn't think of, but there's always an excuse.

[Agent_Koopa]

Is it known if Knossoi can create nodes by themselves, or if they merely stabilize naturally-occuring ones?

[Jeff Vader]

I think it was Petrarch, who hypothesized that they might be able to create new jump nodes. No one seemed to be sure.

[TrashMan]

We know that they stablisise existing nodes, everything else is speculation.

IIRC, the Sol-Delta Serpentis node can be fixed with the Knossos. Severed/collapsed nodes still exist but are unusable for travel

[Freyr]

My guess would be that the ancients found a destabilised node, so they put a Knossos on it and restabilised it.  They then entered the nebula, and found another destabilised node which they then stuck another Knossos on it.  Both nodes were probably destabilised past the point of being usable for ship travel by the supernova, which explains why they would be needed.  Later the Shivans come blasting through and they turn off the Knossos in Gamma Draconis.  Without the Knossos stabilising the node it collapses after some (probably quite long) period of time.

Or, if you want to call it a fairly short amount of time you could also say it traps the Shivan fleet that nuked the ancients so they never got any of the beams that were later developed so they could be used by something smaller than a huge super destroyer with loads of big powerful generators.  Or something.

[TrashMan]

Or the Lucy fleet might have just been a old fleet that was never refitted. Do the shivan seven re-fit ships at all, or do they just use them till they get blown away?

[IceFire]

Seeing as how the Sathanases survived the nebula explosion (possibly), a Knossos may have been able to stand up to that kind of blast. Perhaps the Knossos network was more well-maintained at the time and had a strong shield system, perhaps even an impenetrable Lucifer style system. Most likely, it's just something that Volition didn't think of, but there's always an excuse.

How do we know that a Sathanas "survived a nebula explosion" and what is a nebula explosion exactly?  Do you mean supernova?