[wolfen]

Ok everybody its been a while since I have been able to play FS and actually enjoy it, along with being able to do anything and enjoy it, I have (since Feb when I got this computer with Vista on it) downloaded tureys installer about 50 to 60 times, every time I have to reload this computer cause vista crashed, totally froze, gave up, or just plain didn't stat at all.

But..............I have effectively found a very nice fix for ll my vista problems, I found a full blown copy of XP home with SP2 and all the goodies at Office Depot for $187, I finished installing the last of my old xp backups today Freespace runs like I'm actually in outer space now, and the world is right again.
I even found a use for that vista disk, after all I needed s good coaster for my coffee cup.


TO ALL VISTA USERS, THERES STILL TIME TO UPGRADE TO XP! (yes I mean upgrade, I WILL argue that statement too )

[jr2]

Umm... check the Internets and see if there is a way to downgrade your Vista install.. I know M$ supposedly included a built-in tool to do that for OEM manufacturers.  And why did you buy XP?  Wouldn't the license for Vista entitle you to run XP?  IDK.  Maybe not.  If it did, however, than you could have gotten XP Corporate + keygen from somewhere, and used your Vista disk as insurance against any legal action.  But perhaps that wouldn't work.  But c'mon, it's not like you're also running Vista...   Any ppl have insight into the legal aspects of running pirated XP to replace your legal Vista?

[IceFire]

Vista is working fine for me...very pleased with it.

[Hazaanko]

Umm... check the Internets and see if there is a way to downgrade your Vista install.. I know M$ supposedly included a built-in tool to do that for OEM manufacturers.  And why did you buy XP?  Wouldn't the license for Vista entitle you to run XP?  IDK.  Maybe not.  If it did, however, than you could have gotten XP Corporate + keygen from somewhere, and used your Vista disk as insurance against any legal action.  But perhaps that wouldn't work.  But c'mon, it's not like you're also running Vista...   Any ppl have insight into the legal aspects of running pirated XP to replace your legal Vista?

I would also be very interested in knowing any details regarding this.

[wolfen]

Umm... check the Internets and see if there is a way to downgrade your Vista install.. I know M$ supposedly included a built-in tool to do that for OEM manufacturers.  And why did you buy XP?  Wouldn't the license for Vista entitle you to run XP?  IDK.  Maybe not.  If it did, however, than you could have gotten XP Corporate + keygen from somewhere, and used your Vista disk as insurance against any legal action.  But perhaps that wouldn't work.  But c'mon, it's not like you're also running Vista...   Any ppl have insight into the legal aspects of running pirated XP to replace your legal Vista?

Nope no way in a solar lifetime to uninstall vista, it came with the computer, if I'd had upgraded from xp to vista then their might have been a uninstall, but on a new computer your sol.
I bought a copy of xp cause the license codes for vista only work on vista, unlike the old xp codes that are basically reusable. The main reason I don't go find a downloadable version of XP is that even if the keygens do work ( most are all used up anyway) M/S has a list of all the xp codes they approve, and their validation check tool that you must install before any updates looks at the typed in code, vs the code line which contains the real code, if they don't match, you don't download anything.
Its ok though, if my next computer is made by M/S I can put this xp on that too, no matter what o/s is on it.

[wolfen]

Vista is working fine for me...very pleased with it.

I was too for the first 2 months. then the problems started. Which vista do you have? mine was home basic.

[Charismatic]

I hear of **** about Vista, and of good things to.

My dad just got a new family PC (that i cant play games on, or download anything...o.0 ) and its vista. Like anything new,... its new and different to control. Its ok but XP is better. I should spend more tiem on Vista tho, but hell, what can i do on dial up, and that im allowed?

Vista did make some good improvements, mostly visual and some was the whole how the start bar comes out, and how it goes from folder to folder without hogging half the screen...

but i hear Vista dont play Any games... (well most of the ones ppl have. halo 2 for instance, fS2) it just isnt compatable with most known games..which is a curious flaw....

[Nuke]

i migrated over to xp pro 64 already. i just just repartitioned and formated my linux hard drive and installed it there. i still got vista on the faster hard drive though. im eventually gonna remove it and but xp 64 there instead.

[jr2]

even if the keygens do work ( most are all used up anyway) M/S has a list of all the xp codes they approve, and their validation check tool that you must install before any updates looks at the typed in code, vs the code line which contains the real code, if they don't match, you don't download anything.
Its ok though, if my next computer is made by M/S I can put this xp on that too, no matter what o/s is on it.

Well... to put it bluntly... I'm inquiring of the legal aspects of doing this.  I own a legal copy of XP Pro.  I use a pirated SP2 copy, with a keygen, and WGA crack.  Works wonders.  However, if one was to pursue this solution, you'd have to be careful to avoid the viruses etc. that are out there.

What I was asking was about the legal aspects, not if it was possible.  It most certainly is possible. 

[Ghostavo]

but i hear Vista dont play Any games... (well most of the ones ppl have. halo 2 for instance, fS2) it just isnt compatable with most known games..which is a curious flaw....

I find that hard to believe, since Halo 2 was only supposed to be played in Vista before the XP/DirectX/something hack was found. Not to mention all the games using DirectX10.

[lenard27]

All of my games work fine on Vista with one exception.  KOTOR II. Which pisses me off to no end, although KOTOR I is still better.

Overall, I'm pleased with Vista, especially after I turned User Account Control off, which was the bane of my existence when I first got it.

[Wobble73]

but i hear Vista dont play Any games... (well most of the ones ppl have. halo 2 for instance, fS2) it just isnt compatable with most known games..which is a curious flaw....

I find that hard to believe, since Halo 2 was only supposed to be played in Vista before the XP/DirectX/something hack was found. Not to mention all the games using DirectX10.

No, Halo2 will play on XP, Halo 3 is Vista only! (Or Xbox360 only! Which I shall receive this Xmas!  )

[Ghostavo]

but i hear Vista dont play Any games... (well most of the ones ppl have. halo 2 for instance, fS2) it just isnt compatable with most known games..which is a curious flaw....

I find that hard to believe, since Halo 2 was only supposed to be played in Vista before the XP/DirectX/something hack was found. Not to mention all the games using DirectX10.

No, Halo2 will play on XP, Halo 3 is Vista only! (Or Xbox360 only! Which I shall receive this Xmas!  )

I'm pretty sure Halo 2 was only supposed to be played in Vista before the workaround was found.

http://www.google.pt/search?hl=en&q=halo+2+vista+only&btnG=Google+Search&meta=

[Wobble73]

but i hear Vista dont play Any games... (well most of the ones ppl have. halo 2 for instance, fS2) it just isnt compatable with most known games..which is a curious flaw....

I find that hard to believe, since Halo 2 was only supposed to be played in Vista before the XP/DirectX/something hack was found. Not to mention all the games using DirectX10.

No, Halo2 will play on XP, Halo 3 is Vista only! (Or Xbox360 only! Which I shall receive this Xmas!  )

I'm pretty sure Halo 2 was only supposed to be played in Vista before the workaround was found.

http://www.google.pt/search?hl=en&q=halo+2+vista+only&btnG=Google+Search&meta=

You're right! My bad! 

[Kosh]

The best (and only real) fix for Vista is format c:

[Nuclear1]

but i hear Vista dont play Any games... (well most of the ones ppl have. halo 2 for instance, fS2) it just isnt compatable with most known games..which is a curious flaw....

I currently have installed on Home Vista laptop:
* Command and Conquer: The First Decade (all of the games run fine)
* FS2 SCP (flawlessly)
* SW: EAW
* SW: KOTOR
* SW: BG

I've not had a problem with any of these games on Vista.

[lenard27]

but i hear Vista dont play Any games... (well most of the ones ppl have. halo 2 for instance, fS2) it just isnt compatable with most known games..which is a curious flaw....

I currently have installed on Home Vista laptop:
* Command and Conquer: The First Decade (all of the games run fine)
* FS2 SCP (flawlessly)
* SW: EAW
* SW: KOTOR
* SW: BG

I've not had a problem with any of these games on Vista.

Did you buy the Best of PC Star Wars games? Because I think that those were optimized for Vista and thats Why they work.  They work for me.  I think thats why KOTOR II doesn't work on Vista.

[Nuke]

what really buggered me about vista was the piss poor copy performance. it took 2 hours to copy over 11,000 files which took up about a hundred gigs, my routine d drive backup. doing the same thing in xp64 took about 30 minutes. excuse me i bought fast hard drives so i could copy stuff fast. vista didnt even see all 4 gigs of my memory. vista crashes the mobo+cpu monitoring util. xp64 does not. the xp pro 64 is a more recent version of xp based off a server codebase. rock solid and brutally fast (or rather drywall solid and as fast a blind, paraplegic dog, in non-microsoft terms, but better than vista).

vista looks pretty and seems different but its all just white wash. they merely changed of the terminology of things which are the same thing in xp, but named differently in vista. take a look at the control panel or the services. all this is meant to suck in the younger os users (thats most of you) by presenting something new and fresh for their generation, while its really the same piss-poor codebase with a cool looking (though no more functional) front end.

[Flaser]

what really buggered me about vista was the piss poor copy performance. it took 2 hours to copy over 11,000 files which took up about a hundred gigs, my routine d drive backup. doing the same thing in xp64 took about 30 minutes. excuse me i bought fast hard drives so i could copy stuff fast. vista didnt even see all 4 gigs of my memory. vista crashes the mobo+cpu monitoring util. xp64 does not. the xp pro 64 is a more recent version of xp based off a server codebase. rock solid and brutally fast (or rather drywall solid and as fast a blind, paraplegic dog, in non-microsoft terms, but better than vista).

vista looks pretty and seems different but its all just white wash. they merely changed of the terminology of things which are the same thing in xp, but named differently in vista. take a look at the control panel or the services. all this is meant to suck in the younger os users (thats most of you) by presenting something new and fresh for their generation, while its really the same piss-poor codebase with a cool looking (though no more functional) front end.

Vista *did* introduce a number of true and significant changes even under the hood.

The main problem though, that the majority of said changes is to facilitate the DRM scheme - in other words stuff that makes the whole thing painful for the user.

In doing so MS also broke a lot of all stuff, like the GDI (Graphics Device Interface). In other words MS once again wants to feed down their proprietary closed (...or more maliciously - vendor locked-in) stuff down your throat like they did with IE (...and look at all the "good" that one did us)!

The real pitty is, that Vista did have some novel and good security features, like its new memory protection scheme; or the sensible idea to *use* the RAM you have.

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On another tangent: before your rush off to get your Windows XP Professional 64-bit Edition (which you can do for free if you own a copy of Windows XP Professional), there are number of things to keep in mind:

• You need an x86-64 compatible processor:
   
  • AMD
       
    • AMD Athlon 64
    • AMD Athlon 64 X2
    • AMD Athlon 64 FX
    • AMD Opteron
    • AMD Turion 64
    • AMD Turion 64 X2
    • AMD Sempron
         
  • Intel NetBurst
       
    • Intel Xeon (some models since "Nocona")
    • Intel Celeron D (some models since "Prescott")
    • Intel Pentium 4 (some models since "Prescott")
    • Intel Pentium D
    • Intel Pentium Extreme Edition
       
  • Intel Core microarchitecture
       
    • Intel Xeon (all models since "Woodcrest")
    • Intel Core 2 (Including Mobile processors since "Merom")
    • Intel Pentium Dual Core (E2140 and E2160)
    • Intel Celeron (Celeron 4x0; Celeron M 5xx)
       
   
• You may not find the appropriate 64-bit driver for all you devices.

[wolfen]

I hear of **** about Vista, and of good things to.

My dad just got a new family PC (that i cant play games on, or download anything...o.0 ) and its vista. Like anything new,... its new and different to control. Its ok but XP is better. I should spend more tiem on Vista tho, but hell, what can i do on dial up, and that im allowed?

Vista did make some good improvements, mostly visual and some was the whole how the start bar comes out, and how it goes from folder to folder without hogging half the screen...

but i hear Vista dont play Any games... (well most of the ones ppl have. halo 2 for instance, fS2) it just isnt compatable with most known games..which is a curious flaw....

Viats WILL play games, I have played FS, Halo, and Aces High on vista with no problems at all, my problem was the O/S and its compatibility with itself, I bought a M/S mouse for vista that didin' t work on vista LOL