[Admiral Nelson]

Exactly,  This is why there is no plural form of the word in Greek.  And so the discussion of whatever its plural might be silly.

[Steel Prophet]

Thanks

[Herra Tohtori]

Well, on some occasion plurals of names are used: Your Mom has a lot of Johns.

 

Although, in this case, it's not a proper noun any more but rather a synonyme to "customer".

On some ship classes it's easy to form the plural because the ship class is not a proper noun. Names like Deimos, Hercules and Hecate are all proper nouns (names of unique things), whereas Valkyrie, Manticore, Basilisk and some others already have a plural form because they are names of groups of things.

But it would indeed be kinda stupid to talk about how many Nimitzes the US Navy has...

[Admiral Nelson]

But we form the plurals of those proper names according to English rules, not the rules of whatever language those names came from.  We don't refer to "Nimitzen" aircraft carriers because the name Nimitz is of German origin.

[Mobius]

But we form the plurals of those proper names according to English rules, not the rules of whatever language those names came from.  We don't refer to "Nimitzen" aircraft carriers because the name Nimitz is of German origin.

But there are stupid forms like "Ferraris" when "Ferrari" is already plural. Spaghetti is already plural and the singular is spaghetto. I have also read "Saettas" instead of "Saette", "pizzas" instead of "pizze", etc. etc.

And those are adaptions of foreign words to your language. It doesn't mean they're correct. It's normal for an English or American to add "s" and "create" the plural form of a word.

Here we're discussing about English words. The plural of "Il film" is "I film" but someone says "I films" because in English you add the letter s. It's a matter of opinions, depends on wheter or not a word should be adapted. The examples I mentioned are stupid, what's the point in having the plural form of a word that is already plural?!?


On a side note...you're all wrong. First of all, there's no "h" in the Greek alphabet so the singular is Satanas and not Sathanas. There are two  "t", Tau and Theta. The second one serves as "th", but in Satanas there's a tau, not a theta. The plural is Satanai, but don't forget the "duale"(I don't know the English for "duale"...dual?).

In Greek there also was the "dual", so:

One Sathanas juggernaut: Satanas.

Two Sathanas juggernauts: Satana or Satanain, depends on the cases.

Three or more Sathanas juggernauts: Satanai.

 

[Snail]

I thought I couldn't be more confused than I was when I started this thread. Now I'm twice as confused.

[Mobius]

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Add the "h" if you want, that is not going to make the difference.

If you see a Juggernaut, say "A Sathanas!!!"

If you see two Juggernauts, say "Sathana!!!" or "Sathanain!!!"

If you see three or more Juggernauts, say "Sathanai!!!"

Where's the problem?

[Snail]

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Add the "h" if you want, that is not going to make the difference.

If you see a Juggernaut, say "A Sathanas!!!"

If you see two Juggernauts, say "Sathana!!!" or "Sathanain!!!"

If you see three or more Juggernauts, say "Sathanai!!!"

Where's the problem?

Well Nelson, Sesq, Goober and Axem all have different views as well as their reasons. What is to say yours is the correct one?

(I'm not saying that yours is wrong, I just don't know which is correct)

[Admiral Nelson]

Mobius is correct that 'Sathanas' has a tau and not a theta in Greek. It is rather strange to use the Greek form of the word in English, anyway.  I can only guess that openly calling the juggernaut 'Satan' was thought to be too over the top by Volition.  They used the Hebrew forms of words like 'Nephilim' and 'Seraphim'.  And just to be even more confusing, 'Nephilim' and 'Seraphim' are plurals being used as a singular.

In the end don't be confused.  The only thing that matters, unless you expect Constantine the Great to be playing your campaign, is that the plural in English of Sathanas is Sathanases.  There is no grammatical justification for using the Greek plural forms in English.

[Snail]

They used the Hebrew forms of words like 'Nephilim' and 'Seraphim'.  And just to be even more confusing, 'Nephilim' and 'Seraphim' are plurals being used as a singular.

Actually, they used Seraphim as the plural and singular of the bomber. In "The Great Hunt", when one of the bomber wings are destroyed, Command says "The Seraphim are history!" or something like that.

[Admiral Nelson]

Another useless note is that 'Ravana' is mispronounced in FS2.  The voice actors put the stress on the second syllable, but in Sanskrit (as in Hindi) the stress belongs on the first syllable.  Thus RAA-vuh-nuh, not raa-VAA-nuh.

[Mobius]

Well the fact that they know nothing about the "dual" leads me to think that their knowledge of Greek is poor(no offense). I don't study Greek but I'm literally surrounded from people who study/studied it.

Ok, I have just checked The Brick^TM(AKA my Latin dictionary). The only forms present are Satan, which doesn't change, and Satanas, ae.(which is m., even with the -ae). The plural of the second form is...wait, is the Satanas a singuralia tantum?!?

In the end don't be confused.  The only thing that matters, unless you expect Constantine the Great to be playing your campaign, is that the plural in English of Sathanas is Sathanases.  There is no grammatical justification for using the Greek plural forms in English.

Meh...I'm all against "Sathanases", "Spaghettis", "Ferraris" and other horrifying words

Seriously, it's better to leave Sathanas...

Another useless note is that 'Ravana' is mispronounced in FS2.  The voice actors put the stress on the second syllable, but in Sanskrit (as in Hindi) the stress belongs on the first syllable.  Thus RAA-vuh-nuh, not raa-VAA-nuh.

Tsk tsk...you can only imagine how bad the spelling of Orion and Deimos is...

[Admiral Nelson]

Or Sathanas juggernauts, thus avoiding the whole issue.

Many plural Latin words are singular in English, such as agenda, etc...

[Mobius]

And Italian, too...

By the way, Happy Sathanas & Holy Mary Day!

[Snail]

So can I use Sathanes or will that Greek asshole come and smack my head with a baseball bat?

[Mobius]

Well, Sathanes appears to be the only wrong form.

That's what happens when you trust Goober

[Snail]

And Sesquipedalian, and Axem...

[Mobius]

That's what happens when you trust them when they say something about ship names.

And I have even used the form Sathanes for a while!

[Admiral Nelson]

Sathanes is what the plural would be in Modern Greek.  So you only have to worry about Medieval Greek assholes hitting you with a baseball bat, and they are all dead.

[Mobius]

Modern Greek? It's pretty much like using an Italian word instead of a Latin one.