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Offline TopAce

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That's not 100% accurate. It depends on what kind of motivation those people have. Say they are professional sportsmen. Then, it is reasonable to believe that 3 men are 300% effective. Say they are just schoolchildren killing their time on PE classes. Then, they'll not be at 300%.

What we are primarily talking about is collective responsibility or whatever it's English name (I never learned physcholoy in English). The more people take part in an activity the less responsibility one must take if the activity's outcome is unfavorable, say they are defeated in football.

Still I cannot see how that explains the stormtrooper effect. All we are dealing with here is that the heroes must survive against impossible odds in the movies, and not only the Star Wars movies, but movies like Rambo or any other conventional action movies. I mean, why would allegedly highly trained troopers disturb each other so much as to decrease their effectiveness so drastically?
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The stormtrooper effect is easy to explain.  If the heroes died the first time they fought the enemy, it'd be a real quick movie.
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...or if they fought with as many stormtroopers as they are, it would be boring.
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Hence my pointing out that it was mere speculation, even a joke if you will.  I didn't expect it to be taken seriously.  And I'm aware there are exceptions to that, it's not a rule of group behavior, more just a common occurance I believe.  It can be overcome, but if you're not focusing on it, you'll probably slack off in a group without even realizing it.  This is a great thread btw.
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the heroes have the force, and its influence over the weak-minded.


 

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the heroes have the force, and its influence over the weak-minded.
No, they have plot armor.

 

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I'm pretty sure that Anakin was tested and was found to have the highest count of midichlorians ever, which is why Qui-gon thought he was the prophesized one to bring the force into balance. (or some such tosh!)
If you think about it, he did fufill the prophecy. The prophecy said he'd bring balance to the force. During the Clone Wars, the light side was much more powerful, thus the Force was out of balance. By wiping out the Jedi to a spare few, he brought it back into balance. And later when Palpatine grew too powerful, he killed him, again bringing balance to the force.

And how did a discussion about afterburners turn into discussion over the Stormtrooper effect?

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I'm pretty sure that Anakin was tested and was found to have the highest count of midichlorians ever, which is why Qui-gon thought he was the prophesized one to bring the force into balance. (or some such tosh!)
If you think about it, he did fufill the prophecy. The prophecy said he'd bring balance to the force. During the Clone Wars, the light side was much more powerful, thus the Force was out of balance. By wiping out the Jedi to a spare few, he brought it back into balance. And later when Palpatine grew too powerful, he killed him, again bringing balance to the force.

     Balance in the force wasn't about force of numbers. The Sith only ever have two, the Jedi have many. That's by choice, and it's not the point. The point is people like Yoda couldn't predict the future or whatever they do because the force wasn't balanced and was all clouded over with darkness. I think he says something to that effect in ep2 or something to Obi Wan. And that's something that the Jedi were hiding, that they didn't know what was going on.

 

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Re: Afterburners, or The Most Misleading Subject Ever
or we can all admit that the prequels were horribly written, and then disregard any failed plot points that they attempt to make.
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Please do not inject the word "frak"   :ick: into the Star Wars universe.  Save that for the new BSG, where it belongs.
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Well there are many different speculations going on about this law about not mixing fibers and at least one explanation claims that it was a symbolic gesture designed to keep a pure sense of culture, people, and religion.  Seperation of crop  in the vinyard, mentioned in Dt. 22:9 and 22:10 seem to reaffirm this idea, though there may be other reasons as well.

And now, an excerpt from the Prayer of Mordecai, the Book of Esther Chapter C (New American Bible Official Catholic version).

Est C:5  You know all things.  You know, O Lord, that it was not out of insolence or pride or desire for fame that I acted thus in not bowing down to the proud Haman.  6  Gladly would I have kissed the soles of his feet for the salvation of Israel.  7  But I acted as I did so as not to place the honor of man above that of God.  I will not bow down to anyone but you, my Lord.  It is not out of pride that I am acting thus.

 
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Midichlorians on a Plane?

 

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Re: Afterburners, or The Most Misleading Subject Ever
Anyone else noted the change in topic ? :lol:

Midichlorians on a Plane?
:lol:

or we can all admit that the prequels were horribly written, and then disregard any failed plot points that they attempt to make.
I suppose we can do that too. But Return of the Jedi was horribly written too. As if the Ewoks could overrun and defeat the 501st Legion! That, sir, is sacrileage!
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Also, I love the new thread title

 

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Also, I love the new thread title

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Midichlorians on a Plane?
Brilliant.

But Return of the Jedi was horribly written too. As if the Ewoks could overrun and defeat the 501st Legion! That, sir, is sacrileage!
RotJ was strange. After re-watching it after watching the prequels, I feel as if George Lucas was trying to send me a subliminal message telling me the rest of the SW movies would be crap. It included some things that were very similar to the prequel silliness, but slightly less of it.

 

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If you ask me, RotJ wasn't bad.  It has some bad bits, but the good bits in it were as good if not better than any of the other Star Wars movies (Battle of Endor anybody?  Cmon tell me that wasn't epic, or the final battle between Vader and Luke)

Come to think of it, as I watched the movie again recently the only part I didn't like was the Ewoks (That's not including the silly musical number that the special edition added)
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Was Coruscant in the original theatrical release?

 

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Nope.  Coruscant wasn't even heard of until Timothy Zahn wrote Heir to the Empire.
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So the special edition added in that crap too, huh? Along with adding Hayden Christiansen? Damn. George Lucas screwed himself over.