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Offline JF0603

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finally got into this game after CP5670's brother was at my house but i absolutely suck online.

im looking for a good joystick for fs2 preferably under 75
any recommendations?
« Last Edit: December 17, 2007, 03:51:55 pm by JF0603 »
No more Mr. Nice Gaius.- 6 degrees of separation

THIS OPERATIONS GONE FUBAR!-Prophet- CRYSIS

They're makin MORTAR ROUNDS!!!!!!!- Robert Hawkins

im a leaf on the wind, watch me soar- serenity.


Take my love, take my land
Take me where I cannot stand
I don't care, I'm still free
You can't take the sky from me
Take me out to the black
Tell them I ain't comin' back
Burn the land and boil the sea
You can't take the sky from me
There's no place I can be
Since I found Serenity
But you can't take the sky from me...

the story of my life- http://youtube.com/watch?v=YY6JIfLrvJc

 

Offline gevatter Lars

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I got a Cyborg Evo. Strange design but can be used for left handers and right handers. Works good for me.
"Yes! That is my plan, and I see nothing wrong with it. I figure that if I stick to a stupid strategy long enough it might start to work."
 - comment to "Robotech: The Masters"

 

Offline Davros

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not under 75 but this is a great stick


I also have a logitec wingman force - its no longer made though fs2 rocks with forcefeedback
the only forcefeedback hotas i know of is the thrustmaster afterburner:
http://www.thrustmaster.com/product.aspx?ProductID=18&PlatformID=5

 

Offline JF0603

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someone told me that the cyborg is cheaply made and akward to use. have you had that experience? is the cyborg compatible with vista?
No more Mr. Nice Gaius.- 6 degrees of separation

THIS OPERATIONS GONE FUBAR!-Prophet- CRYSIS

They're makin MORTAR ROUNDS!!!!!!!- Robert Hawkins

im a leaf on the wind, watch me soar- serenity.


Take my love, take my land
Take me where I cannot stand
I don't care, I'm still free
You can't take the sky from me
Take me out to the black
Tell them I ain't comin' back
Burn the land and boil the sea
You can't take the sky from me
There's no place I can be
Since I found Serenity
But you can't take the sky from me...

the story of my life- http://youtube.com/watch?v=YY6JIfLrvJc

 

Offline colecampbell666

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NO WAY! The Cyborg EVO Force is better than anything that Logi**** can come up with, I've had three Logi****s break in quick succession before buying my EVO. Buy one. Period.
Gettin' back to dodgin' lasers.

 

Offline JF0603

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but is it compatible with vista?
No more Mr. Nice Gaius.- 6 degrees of separation

THIS OPERATIONS GONE FUBAR!-Prophet- CRYSIS

They're makin MORTAR ROUNDS!!!!!!!- Robert Hawkins

im a leaf on the wind, watch me soar- serenity.


Take my love, take my land
Take me where I cannot stand
I don't care, I'm still free
You can't take the sky from me
Take me out to the black
Tell them I ain't comin' back
Burn the land and boil the sea
You can't take the sky from me
There's no place I can be
Since I found Serenity
But you can't take the sky from me...

the story of my life- http://youtube.com/watch?v=YY6JIfLrvJc

 

Offline Davros

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yes it works with vista

ps: the wingman force was an awesome stick its a damm shame logitec stopped useing the cable pull system



 

Offline Herra Tohtori

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Logitech sticks do have better ergonomics (for right-handed people that is), but pure crap electronic quality control compared to Saitek sticks. Undoubtedly the sticks are assembled by small hands somewhere in Far East. For it's price, Cyborg Evo offers quite good combination of durability (electronically, the components won't go haywire as fast as all my Logitech sticks' components have) and accuracy.

Mechanically, the stick is not quite as durable as electronically - the return mechanism slowly reduces the thickness of the main shaft of the stick which has thus plastic "tube" around it, acting as a returner... and when the shaft wears out, the tube will get looser around it, which will increase the zone which offers no return force towards the center. This happens especially if you use the stick dry. But drop some machine oil or even WD-40 into the mechanism and it'll work smooth and long.

The trigger is also a point of risk to heavy-handed players who tend to forget that guns don't fire faster and gears won't change better no matter how hard you press the trigger. The actual button for the trigger is held inside the handle with pretty thin plastic support, and on my previous Cyborg Evo it eventually caved in during an intense dogfight on FS2_Open... this caused the trigger button to register badly, but it was fixable with duct tape (on the other hand, what isn't).

The way the twist handle is attached to the main gimbal shaft could be better made as well, it has a bit too much clearance to my liking. It causes to handle to move slightly before the actual gimbal and attached axis sensors start to move.


If there was a stick on the market with Logitech Extreme 3D series mechanical durability and ergonomy of the handle and Saitek's electronical quality, it would be full of win and I would get it immediately. But as it is, Saitek Cyborg Evo is definitely about the best stick you can buy in it's price range. All the ergonomy and mechanic integrity won't help as the electronics goes bye-bye... and getting the stick replaced time after time gets old pretty soon.


As to being supported by Vista, it uses a very generic USB interface and is prefectly recognized by default USB drivers of WinXP, and same holds true for Vista as far as I have tested it. I don't use Saitek's drivers since I do not see the need to use any profiles with a stick this simple.


If you want a really durable stick electronically, though, get something with no-touch axis sensors. Optical or Hall effect sensors don't wear in the same way the cheaper sensors that have touching surfaces and mechanical connection to the axis movement.
There are three things that last forever: Abort, Retry, Fail - and the greatest of these is Fail.

 

Offline JF0603

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compelling, i think i might buy it.
No more Mr. Nice Gaius.- 6 degrees of separation

THIS OPERATIONS GONE FUBAR!-Prophet- CRYSIS

They're makin MORTAR ROUNDS!!!!!!!- Robert Hawkins

im a leaf on the wind, watch me soar- serenity.


Take my love, take my land
Take me where I cannot stand
I don't care, I'm still free
You can't take the sky from me
Take me out to the black
Tell them I ain't comin' back
Burn the land and boil the sea
You can't take the sky from me
There's no place I can be
Since I found Serenity
But you can't take the sky from me...

the story of my life- http://youtube.com/watch?v=YY6JIfLrvJc

 

Offline gevatter Lars

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Before the Saitek one I had two Logitech Joysticks.
The first one (thing the name was Wingman or so) was very good but it isn't produced anymore. Problem with it was that when I moved it was damaged so I had to find a new one.
The second was an Attack3. Started to break down after two month or so with going a bit to the left. I companseted it with allways pulling it a bit to the right but after some more time he finaly won't let me fly anywhere else then straight or left. Was anyoing as hell.

The Saitak one now holds his own since at least longer then the Attack but I hadn't much time to play so that dosn't mean much. But I talked to different people and they all agreed that for a lefthander there isn't any better.
"Yes! That is my plan, and I see nothing wrong with it. I figure that if I stick to a stupid strategy long enough it might start to work."
 - comment to "Robotech: The Masters"

 

Offline Nuke

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i just spent my cash on ch pro throttle, fighterstick and pro pedals, and called it a day.
most configurable sticks ever.
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Offline colecampbell666

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Gettin' back to dodgin' lasers.

 

Offline Nuke

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ch is bloody expensive, i payed around $400 for my setup if you count the shipping costs.
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Offline IceFire

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ch is bloody expensive, i payed around $400 for my setup if you count the shipping costs.
As I understand it CH is bulletproof so you can deflect large bullets and it will probably work for another 20 years.

I'm very happy with my Saitek X-52 but thats overkill for FreeSpace.  Its great for other sims tho.
- IceFire
BlackWater Ops, Cold Element
"Burn the land, boil the sea, you can't take the sky from me..."

 

Offline Nuke

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using my ch stick makes me realize how much i truly hated saitek's single spring design. you just cant feel the difference between roll and pitch. saitek wins for comfortable grips though. but that and looks is the only thing the saitek has. the ch is a simmers stick, hardware trim, super-customizable, and unlike saitek its american made.

I can no longer sit back and allow communist infiltration, communist indoctrination, communist subversion, and the international communist conspiracy to sap and impurify all of our precious bodily fluids.

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Offline colecampbell666

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What CH stick/configuration do you have?
Gettin' back to dodgin' lasers.

 

Offline IceFire

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Comfortable grips, looks, and relatively inexpensive is what Saitek has.  Also has a greater range of options for the people who aren't completely serious and are not willing to spend $400 on a full CH setup.  Can't argue with the quality of the CH products...like I said...they are bulletproof from everything that I've ever read about them.
- IceFire
BlackWater Ops, Cold Element
"Burn the land, boil the sea, you can't take the sky from me..."

 

Offline Gloc

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I upgraded from my aging X36 (still functional, gotta love it) to an X52 Pro about a month ago (found it for like...120), and am totally loving it. The LEDs are a bit over the top, but I do happen to like green, so it's all good.

But if you're not going for a HOTAS setup, I'd toss my vote in for the Cyborg Evo since I've been pretty satisfied with Saitek's stuff thus far. I've only messed with a shelf display of the Evo a bit, but it seemed pretty good - I actually really liked all the adjustments you could make to it.

If I had the money, though, I'd totally give a CH setup a go.  :D

 

Offline Nuke

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What CH stick/configuration do you have?

fighterstick, pro throttle and pro pedals. was gonna buy the flight sim yoke too, but i decided i already spent too much money :D
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Offline jr2

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Hmm... any way to change my X45 so it doesn't require throwing the stick to extremes to dogfight?  If you adjust it too much towards being sensitive, it drifts to the left.  My problem is, to reverse direction, by the time I get the stick to the full opposite direction, it's way too late.  With a mouse, I have extremely snappy response, which I love... only to lose my advantage when I have to pick it up to move the mouse down so I can drag it again.  :(