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Offline Kosh

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on: January 03, 2008, 05:50:20 am
That's the approximate US debt as of now, no doubt it will go up by a rediculous number as I am typing this.


http://www.brillig.com/debt_clock/
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Reply #1 on: January 03, 2008, 05:56:51 am
The current administration knows they're going to lose to the Dems this year, so they're just digging the hole a little deeper so they can play the "lower taxes" card in 2012 after the Democrats raise them to pay this **** off.

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Reply #2 on: January 03, 2008, 06:11:52 am
When do you guys think it will reach 10 trillion? 2008? 2009?
"The reason for this is that the original Fortran got so convoluted and extensive (10's of millions of lines of code) that no-one can actually figure out how it works, there's a massive project going on to decode the original Fortran and write a more modern system, but until then, the UK communication network is actually relying heavily on 35 year old Fortran that nobody understands." - Flipside

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Reply #3 on: January 03, 2008, 06:17:37 am
Quote from: Kosh on January 03, 2008, 06:11:52 am
When do you guys think it will reach 10 trillion? 2008? 2009?

Probably when Bush steps down as president.
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Reply #4 on: January 03, 2008, 06:36:57 am
its not just the government who flushes the money down the toilet. its mr and mrs joe blow credit card users.
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Reply #5 on: January 03, 2008, 06:39:25 am
Already gone up another 53 million. That's scary.
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Reply #6 on: January 03, 2008, 07:31:23 pm


The overall history. It looks an aweful lot like an exponential curve. The only question is when does Y = infinity?
"The reason for this is that the original Fortran got so convoluted and extensive (10's of millions of lines of code) that no-one can actually figure out how it works, there's a massive project going on to decode the original Fortran and write a more modern system, but until then, the UK communication network is actually relying heavily on 35 year old Fortran that nobody understands." - Flipside

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Reply #7 on: January 03, 2008, 08:15:38 pm
Interesting. Dramatic rises at the end of World War 2 and the end of the Cold War, then it seems to start to level off, and then it increases by 50% during the Bush administration.

Are these valid connections?
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Offline Kosh

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Reply #8 on: January 03, 2008, 08:20:06 pm
It leveled off between 95 and 2000 because clinton balanced the budget in those years. It kept going up  (though not as fast as it is now) until that point.
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Reply #9 on: January 03, 2008, 10:02:50 pm
I always find it strange that the Republicans are always talking about how the Democrats spend so much money and how the Republicans are fiscally conservative but they end up spending more money.  Its like the Liberals and the Conservatives up here...the Liberals were the ones that finally balanced the budget and paid down the debt after the Conservatives nearly spent us into a hole.

Isn't there a happy medium...fiscally conservative and socially centered?

But really...how do you pay down 9 trillion dollars in debt.  Thats a huge hole to be in...if any of the nations buying up the debt wanted it back it'd...be....very bad.
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Reply #10 on: January 03, 2008, 10:09:10 pm
Well, just looking at it from mathmatical POV, at somepoint it will hit a wall because an exponential curve has a limit.
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Offline Polpolion

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Reply #11 on: January 03, 2008, 10:15:01 pm
Hey, according to the thread title, it's gone down about 25 billion dollars! Or equally as likely, I'm misreading it and it went up almost 100 trillion dollars.
 

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Reply #12 on: January 03, 2008, 10:25:43 pm
From the website:

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Q: I looked at the Debt Clock yesterday and I think it showed a higher value than it does today. Is the Debt going down?

    A: Unfortunately, no. On average, the Debt is always rising but there are some day to day fluctuations which can cause the debt to actually go down for a day or two. The long term averages however, show that the Debt just keeps getting higher and higher.
"The reason for this is that the original Fortran got so convoluted and extensive (10's of millions of lines of code) that no-one can actually figure out how it works, there's a massive project going on to decode the original Fortran and write a more modern system, but until then, the UK communication network is actually relying heavily on 35 year old Fortran that nobody understands." - Flipside

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Reply #13 on: January 03, 2008, 10:56:49 pm
Quote from: Kosh on January 03, 2008, 10:25:43 pm
From the website:

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Q: I looked at the Debt Clock yesterday and I think it showed a higher value than it does today. Is the Debt going down?

    A: Unfortunately, no. On average, the Debt is always rising but there are some day to day fluctuations which can cause the debt to actually go down for a day or two. The long term averages however, show that the Debt just keeps getting higher and higher.

That's like saying there wasn't 50,000 US casualties in Vietnam because there was 58,000. Well no, not really, but I never said that it was a long term trend. I simply stated that the debt went down 25 billion dollars.
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Reply #14 on: January 03, 2008, 11:41:35 pm
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That's like saying there wasn't 50,000 US casualties in Vietnam because there was 58,000.


So what you're saying is that in Vietnam we had dead people coming back to life? 
"The reason for this is that the original Fortran got so convoluted and extensive (10's of millions of lines of code) that no-one can actually figure out how it works, there's a massive project going on to decode the original Fortran and write a more modern system, but until then, the UK communication network is actually relying heavily on 35 year old Fortran that nobody understands." - Flipside

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Offline Polpolion

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Reply #15 on: January 03, 2008, 11:49:02 pm
No. 58,000 > 50,000. 58,000 - 8,000 = 50,000, so there were at least 50,000 casualties, plus the 8,000 equals 58,000.

GAH!!!

In simpler terms: You have 10 apples. Do you have 7 apples?

EDIT: You have 10 apples. Susie wants 7 apples. Can you give her 7 apples? If you can, you must have 7 apples. If you can't, you don't have 7 apples. Let's count to 10 to see if we have 7 apples: 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10. Yes, we do have seven apples. You give Susie 7 apples.

Just because there seemed to still be some confusion on the issue...

EDIT2: Now there's too many analogies!!! :shaking:
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Reply #16 on: January 03, 2008, 11:56:05 pm
I think the appropriate analogy is "one step forward, two steps back".
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Offline haloboy100

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Reply #17 on: January 04, 2008, 01:01:26 am
Quote from: WMCoolmon on January 03, 2008, 11:56:05 pm
I think the appropriate analogy is "one step forward, two steps back".
i understand that one.
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Reply #18 on: January 04, 2008, 01:11:28 am
Quote from: Kosh on January 03, 2008, 10:09:10 pm
Well, just looking at it from mathmatical POV, at somepoint it will hit a wall because an exponential curve has a limit.

You fail at math.
  

Offline Kosh

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Reply #19 on: January 04, 2008, 01:43:21 am
Ok, care to explain?
"The reason for this is that the original Fortran got so convoluted and extensive (10's of millions of lines of code) that no-one can actually figure out how it works, there's a massive project going on to decode the original Fortran and write a more modern system, but until then, the UK communication network is actually relying heavily on 35 year old Fortran that nobody understands." - Flipside

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