[FUBAR-BDHR]

Not to mention the Shivans themselves seemed to have some sort of exoskeleton or armor since they took all those hits in the cutscene and still kept coming.  If it works for you why not apply it to your ships.

[terran_emperor]

Also, dont forget that it is theoretically possible to have organic chains based on silicon rather than carbon.

And also don't forget that.

Also, why waste resources building sathanas in a factory when you could have a ship that naturally grows in to one.

The first few batches though would be force-grown into the approriate stage to meet fleet requirement numbers, ie their growth is sped up so that you have a ravana or sathanas from a rakshassa in a few weeks rather than the centuaries it takes naturally. And since their force-grown, they have a shorter lifespan then the ones who evolved naturally. Of course this would have all occured long before the war with the Ancients.

Also...I'm thinking of taking the "growing ships" idea and applying it to the Hades. The hades is a hybrid of Terran/Shivan Tech. Now in my opinion the Hades in Silent Threat was incomplete.

My view on how the Hades would grow is this

First it grows from Hades Mk1 (the Canon Model) to the Hades Mk2 - that model with more turrets and 5 Engine subsytems
Then is grows Shivan Armour/skin getting even tougher to kill. Then it grows shivan weapons (Shivan Super Lasers replaced by Lucifer Beams from the Port). and finally it grows Lucifer shields and would be near invicible (hey, i never noticed any reactor subsystem weak points)

[G0atmaster]

How then, did the GTA and PVN capture shield, sensor and other equipment, and ship parts, in FS1?

Also, when the Dragon and Mara fighters are captured and used in both FS1 and FS2, it makes no mention of any kind of organic nature to them. 

[Mura]

They also never mentioned they aren't   

The whole theory kinda gives ideas for a campaign with that as the main idea, i might or might not develop it
most likely not since i have NO knowledge on modding/FREDing or anything 

I like the idea, it might not be probable but still... oh and in the cutscene in the disable freighter in FS1... the interior of the ship looked oddly too terran for my taste... lot of the textures and lot of the way things are built seem convenient for a human being to move around, not for a bunch of huge massive shivans to move around properly (from where they come crawling before killing everybody seemed quite large, though). The point is: either the ship was completely not organic, since the insides looked as mechanic as any other, or the devs were just too lazy to make a more consistent design-wise ship interior 

[TrashMan]

Yes, you seem to be quite the expert on this. Okay, exactly what did the interface of the Mara look like (in Shivan form; not modified to accommodate terrans)? And what is its armor's chemical composition? At the very least, provide a quote from which you based the statement.

Hallfight...inside of shivan freighter...METAL...no organic things in sight.

[terran_emperor]

Mura
Well, donor organs are kept on ice arent they?

Organic tech is almost a Holy-grail for technology, so I wouldn't be surprised the big-wigs would classify any mention of of organic tech at the highest level. Beyond level omega.

[Jeff Vader]

The whole theory kinda gives ideas for a campaign with that as the main idea, i might or might not develop it

*cough* Red Sun *cough*

I wouldn't be surprised the big-wigs would classify any mention of of organic tech at the highest level. Beyond level omega

Aren't you running out of Greek alphabets at that point? Oh well, there are other alphabets, of course. "The following has been classified level Öylätti".

[Mura]

Hallfight...inside of shivan freighter...METAL...no organic things in sight.

As i kinda tried to said in my previous post about Hallfight cutscene... the interior indeed was quite lot of metal, but i still think the interior didn't looked very consistent with everything else shivans build... of course we have never seen the interior of any other shivan ship in any other cutscene, but that's just what i think 

Might as well the whole organic idea be some kind of shivan's version of feng-shui 

*cough* Red Sun *cough*

     i need to play more campaigns than i thought (or lurk the forums a bit more )

[terran_emperor]

OI MURA, You cant use the Evoving Hades idea - thats Mine. I already have it planned out. you can't use it.


And Lobo, i know its Red Sun. I had once planned to adapt Red Sun into a FS2 campaign using the Hades as the Red Sun.

Anyway, red sun is my inspiration, but im developing it in a different direction to CW...

[Mura]

OI MURA, You cant use the Evoving Hades idea - thats Mine. I already have it planned out. you can't use it.


And Lobo, i know its Red Sun. I had once planned to adapt Red Sun into a FS2 campaign using the Hades as the Red Sun.

Anyway, red sun is my inspiration, but im developing it in a different direction to CW...

LOL, i wasn't thinking about the Hades at all XD don't worry, the hassle to make all those models is all yours, pal, no need to rise your voice   

[terran_emperor]

Ok. just so long as its not the Hades thats fine. You can use any ship you please apart from the Hades

Sorry about shouting...but it seemed like i had though up a good campaign Idea, then someone came along and steals

Lol, retexturing the Hades Mk2 is easy ive already done it.  Rearming it is also easy. Though the maps, might not meet the current SCP visual standard. wonder if i could get someone to do a HTL version. I cant remember who did the original Shivan Hades Reskin job though. Anyone know?

My main trouble will be to Shield the Hades.

[Polpolion]

Yes, you seem to be quite the expert on this. Okay, exactly what did the interface of the Mara look like (in Shivan form; not modified to accommodate terrans)? And what is its armor's chemical composition? At the very least, provide a quote from which you based the statement.

Hallfight...inside of shivan freighter...METAL...no organic things in sight.

Tell me: Are you sure that's metal? Is there 100% indisputable evidence that it is metal? No. You still haven't proven anything.

EDIT:

A quote from the Shivan tech entry:

Physically, the Shivans have multiple, compound eyes and five legs with claw-like manipulators. Their insect-like carapace does not appear original to the creature's physiognomy, suggesting the Shivans are a cybernetic fusion of biology and technology.

This means that it's highly probable that the Shivans are cyborgs, to an extent. And it's not that far to go to think that this could be the way with their ships. Honestly, have you ever seen any windows on a ships? Why don't Shivan fighters have cockpits? (It's possible that when you fly in captured Shivan craft the mechanics created the cockpit, much like that BSG episode.)

A leading hypothesis is the hive mind theory, arguing that Shivan society is broken down in specialized functions driven by a collective intelligence. The most convincing evidence supporting this theory is the behavior of Shivan forces following the destruction of the Lucifer, the turning point of the Great War.

Another quote supporting my idea of Shivan biology integrated into their ships. And it's 100% canon.

Let's see, I have 2 quotes supporting my idea, you have none. I win by default.

[Mura]

two words: Magnetic boots... stop the flame wars already, don't feed the trollz and stuff like that, it's damn BORING when people start attacking each other without reason 

[Polpolion]

two words: Magnetic boots... stop the flame wars already, don't feed the trollz and stuff like that, it's damn BORING when people start attacking each other without reason 

There isn't any flaming going on in this thread. There might be rudeness and hostile debating, but that's not flaming.

[Flipside]

I think some people are getting confused between Organic Technology and Biological Technology

As far as ships and things are concerned, even if they were 'grown', I don't think they would evolve, it just paints the inevitable image of a Cain with a sign on the back saying 'When I grow up, I want to be a Sathanas!'.

There is no law outside of Eschers drawings that suggests either Bio or Organic tech would have to 'look' like they are part of a living being. My main complaint against Biotech is where, exactly, do these ships get the nutrients to grow and increase Biomass? Semi-Organic, where the hull is constructed but the systems are 'grown' is not only possible, but has actually be considered in modern day Earth technology.

Edit : Such as:

http://www.abc.net.au/science/news/stories/s407256.htm

[terran_emperor]

  Love that image.

Well the evolving ships theory is mine...if i want to use it, there is nothing saying that i can't

[TrashMan]

Tell me: Are you sure that's metal? Is there 100% indisputable evidence that it is metal? No. You still haven't proven anything.

Metallic clang. Magnetic attraction (soldiers boots). I'd say metal.

This means that it's highly probable that the Shivans are cyborgs, to an extent. And it's not that far to go to think that this could be the way with their ships. Honestly, have you ever seen any windows on a ships? Why don't Shivan fighters have cockpits? (It's possible that when you fly in captured Shivan craft the mechanics created the cockpit, much like that BSG episode.)

they do have cockpits...looks closer.

[lostllama]

I think there was a mention in an FS1 mission briefing (the Playing Judas mission probably) that there were cargo containers with parts for Shivan fighters in them. To me this says that the ships are manufactured.

For a while I used to dwell on the idea that each of the different classes of Shivan ships were possibly a "form" of Shivan in their own right but not anymore. For some reason I think there may be a canon reference about difficulties in extracting Shivans from their fighters in order to make them flyable by humans (it might not be canon, I probably got that idea from some mod). If so then that may reinforce the idea of them being fused with the ship's interface, like someone mentioned earlier.

[Polpolion]

Tell me: Are you sure that's metal? Is there 100% indisputable evidence that it is metal? No. You still haven't proven anything.

Metallic clang. Magnetic attraction (soldiers boots). I'd say metal.

This means that it's highly probable that the Shivans are cyborgs, to an extent. And it's not that far to go to think that this could be the way with their ships. Honestly, have you ever seen any windows on a ships? Why don't Shivan fighters have cockpits? (It's possible that when you fly in captured Shivan craft the mechanics created the cockpit, much like that BSG episode.)

they do have cockpits...looks closer.

1) Those sound a lot more like vacuum boots, as opposed to magnetic. I won't deny that there could be some metal parts of the ship, though. Even if there is, it doesn't invalidate my point about a fusion of biotic and abotic materials and/or control systems.

2) No they don't. And I will continue to blatantly deny it until you show me more proof than a simple "yes they do".

[terran_emperor]

The cargo containor = donor organs on ice