[Akalabeth Angel]

However, we have to be careful: newton like inertia is known to render a game difficult (XF5700 mantis) especially with non assisted firing.

I know what you are going to say, and I know it's not a real referrence point, but jacob was freespace like in game mechanics (not newtonian). Are we sure newtonian flight is part of RL? (I mean, sure there's drag, but there is drag in freespace and WC also actually).

      I'm not sure of anything but it's worth looking into is all.
      And some of the fighters are REALLY REALLY slow, some players may not enjoy flying them as a set speed. But if it's just their ability to accelerate it might be more tolerable.

Well I am not good at explaining but here is a small article about normalmapping

    Cool thanks, I shoulda looked there in the first place. I'll check it out

[gevatter Lars]

No problem ^_^
There are two ways of doing normalmaps that I know of.

First is that you create a highpoly model and use it to create the normalmap from its geometrie and then apply this to a lowpoly model. That is what they have done in the image.

Second way is that you create it by hand. From my experiance and depending on what you do it takes some practice but could give some quite interesting results.
Ask DaBrain for help. He knows quite a lot about it and also creates some very good looking maps.

[Akalabeth Angel]

No problem ^_^
There are two ways of doing normalmaps that I know of.

First is that you create a highpoly model and use it to create the normalmap from its geometrie and then apply this to a lowpoly model. That is what they have done in the image.

Second way is that you create it by hand. From my experiance and depending on what you do it takes some practice but could give some quite interesting results.
Ask DaBrain for help. He knows quite a lot about it and also creates some very good looking maps.

         Yeah, I checked out one uh, tutorial for Maya and they said you can create like a lowpoly thing in Maya and then make a higher poly normal map in ZBrush which is like some, texturing software sorta thing. The ZBrush thing sounds easier than having to add more polygons. But anyway, it's something to look into, in the interim I'll just keep doing some other modelling. I always figured to be using those fancy bumpmap type things for the paneling and so forth for many of the details.

[zircher]

It's funny how that works out.  ZBrush is easier to use if you have the artisitc talent to back it up.  But, for a modeller like me, using polygon sub-division and other tools is more pratical for adding details and smoothness.  Good to know that there is more than one way to tackle that if needed.
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TAZ

[Akalabeth Angel]

Yeah, the 23 files are the movies that got ripped out.

The error in the screenshot has nothing to do with that error -- it's because the game thinks you don't have a CD-ROM drive
Mount ANY cd and it'll work.  to save you time, type "mount e G:\ -t cdrom" , where G:\ is your cd-rom drive (or you can even do a folder on your hard drive instead!)

          Grrrr, I got Jacob's star for a few bucks off eBay or someplace but I can't get the damn game to run. I get the same error where it apparently can't find the CD rom but even though I mount the drive the damn thing still doesn't play. SOOOOO aggravating. Same error that this guy got: http://img169.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dosboxscreensl5.png

          Do you know what the deal is Backlash??
          Here's my freaking config;s autoexec stuff (created using DOG), dunno why it wouldn't work:

mount a d:\ -t cdrom -usecd 0
mount y c:\games\
Y:
cd/
cd renegade
call RENEGADE.BAT

       EDIT - though I had fatal error #26, maybe it's different.

[starlord]

no MSCDEX?

[Akalabeth Angel]

no MSCDEX?

eh?

[Flaming_Sword]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MSCDEX

[starlord]

However, perhaps it's not needed in dosbox.

I recalled having discussed with some dosbox programmers about jacob and it seems it can run flawlessly.

[Jake2447]

Yeah, the 23 files are the movies that got ripped out.

The error in the screenshot has nothing to do with that error -- it's because the game thinks you don't have a CD-ROM drive
Mount ANY cd and it'll work.  to save you time, type "mount e G:\ -t cdrom" , where G:\ is your cd-rom drive (or you can even do a folder on your hard drive instead!)

          Grrrr, I got Jacob's star for a few bucks off eBay or someplace but I can't get the damn game to run. I get the same error where it apparently can't find the CD rom but even though I mount the drive the damn thing still doesn't play. SOOOOO aggravating. Same error that this guy got: http://img169.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dosboxscreensl5.png

          Do you know what the deal is Backlash??
          Here's my freaking config;s autoexec stuff (created using DOG), dunno why it wouldn't work:

mount a d:\ -t cdrom -usecd 0
mount y c:\games\
Y:
cd/
cd renegade
call RENEGADE.BAT

       EDIT - though I had fatal error #26, maybe it's different.

i never got it to play either
i think i need to reconfig dosbox settings to allow/enable XMS memory?  not sure which setting right now
but i cant save the dosbox config file!  it gave me some "directory not found" sh*t when i tried to save (even though i can browse to that directory)
if you get it working, it would be great to know how

[starlord]

In that case I suggest asking the dosbox devs!

[Akalabeth Angel]

i never got it to play either
i think i need to reconfig dosbox settings to allow/enable XMS memory?  not sure which setting right now
but i cant save the dosbox config file!  it gave me some "directory not found" sh*t when i tried to save (even though i can browse to that directory)
if you get it working, it would be great to know how

       I was using some frontend which supposedly allowed for XMS memory but maybe not. I'm asking on the other forums, maybe they can help me out.

[starlord]

IIRC, the requirements featured XMS memory, but no EMS.

Might the problem come from there?

EMS mem managers are known to cause a lot of problems: try to disable EMS.

[starlord]

News from our starshatter pals there:

Brad and wdboyd haven't been sleeping lately.

Brad has thrown himself at the overlord and wdboyd has made a very nice sica!

go check it out!

[starlord]

hey, could somebody tell me where I could find a RL document giving me accurate description of interceptor weaponry? The interceptor PDF covers only lasers, MDCs, E/Npcs. No TPPs, CLs, or LEPCs.

I thought I recall having seen one though. advice Anybody?

EDIT: please disregard that last post: I found what I needed right here:
 http://files.the-underdogs.info//games/r/renegade/files/renegade.pdf

However, I would like to know what's the size of a hex in RL?

[Backslash]

Sorry guys, I've been busy in the bad kind of RL: Real Life, not Renegade Legion 

No MSCDEX is necessary in DOSBox.

          Do you know what the deal is Backlash??
          Here's my freaking config;s autoexec stuff (created using DOG), dunno why it wouldn't work:

mount a d:\ -t cdrom -usecd 0
mount y c:\games\
Y:
cd/
cd renegade
call RENEGADE.BAT

This looks very close.  I have a hunch: perhaps try changing the first line to "mount d d:\ -t cdrom -usecd 0"
A: was historically considered the floppy drive so the game might not be even considering drive letters less than C.

i never got it to play either
i think i need to reconfig dosbox settings to allow/enable XMS memory?  not sure which setting right now
but i cant save the dosbox config file!  it gave me some "directory not found" sh*t when i tried to save (even though i can browse to that directory)

Dunno why the directory not found would happen.  "dosbox.conf" is a simple text file.  Try opening it with Notepad or something else simple.

In the [dos] section of dosbox.conf you can set xms=true and ems=false as you like.  I myself have both set to true and it works fine.  I'm fairly certain xms defaults to true so you shouldn't have had to mess with that.

[starlord]

is your copy running backlash? If so, where are you in it? what's your impressions?

[Akalabeth Angel]

This looks very close.  I have a hunch: perhaps try changing the first line to "mount d d:\ -t cdrom -usecd 0"
A: was historically considered the floppy drive so the game might not be even considering drive letters less than C.

          Is that what you've been using when you got it to work? I'll try it out. I tried the mount d already but didn't try -usecd 0. think I used -iotcl whatever the hell that does.

[zircher]

I tried the mount d already but didn't try -usecd 0. think I used -iotcl whatever the hell that does.

From http://www.dosbox.com/wiki/MOUNT...

-ioctl = Lowest level of hardware access
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TAZ

A more literal translation would be Input/Output ConTroL.

[Backslash]

My copy works.  I'm only on mission 2 or 3 or so because my job work has increased to overtime lately.  I like it (though the music seems a little out of place), but just haven't had time for gaming for a while

For the record, I only used "mount d H:\ -t cdrom" (where H: is my real cd-rom drive), it still worked without usecd or ioctl (though the music didn't always work).  The important switch set is -t cdrom so that it thinks it's a CD-ROM drive.  Even if you replace H:\ with a hard drive folder ;-)

Another thing you can try is make a bin/cue image set, then "IMGMOUNT E C:\Images\Renegade.cue -t iso"