[eliex]

 Do you think that after Terrans realized that their weapons and Hecate destroyers were rather weak, that could not even destroy a Ravana, even less than their Vasudan counterpart, they might have tried to reproduce shivan beams, weapons?

 Or since the GTI rebellion, that kind of thing is banned.

[Killer Whale]

I don't think they'd replicate shivan beams, i think they'd probably study them (given the chance, you'd probably need a score of argos to capture a destroyer or juggernaut. They's probably stay outside the vessel and just scan it from the safety of a faustus or something) and make similar beams, like a BFRed, BFGreen.

You know, add a couple of hitpoints and a BFGreen or LRBGreen (instead of a Bgreen), a hecate is really powerfull (funnily enough, that works for all ships!!). one shot from an LRBGreen can knock out a ravana can you believe?

The hecate is more of a carrier than a warship, the hatsesput is an anti-warship destroyer, the hecate is the fighter carrier. The collosus is both, and does so well.

[FreeSpaceFreak]

Looking at the exact numbers on the Wiki, one shot from an LRBGreen should take out about 42% of a Ravana's hull. Am I missing out on something or did your beam have assistance?

[blowfish]

~42% is correct.  Even with an LRBGreen, I don't think a Hecate could knock out a Ravana before it bit the dust.  The LRed is ~1.3 times as effective as the BFGreen or LRBGreen.

[Unknown Target]

IIRC aren't beams already retrofitted from Shivan tech? Specifically the "beams" on the Lucifer?

[Prophet]

Ya UT is right. IMO all beams (Terran Vasudan Shivan) use the same principle. The differences in performance and colour come from other things. Like powerplant type and output, and type of the cannon and materials used in it. And propably many other things we can have no idea about.

A popular WW2 example: German 88 and allied 75mm cannons are both the same "technology", but are still not equals. The reasons start from ammunition and optics and end in the weather.

GTVA can observe and study Shivan beam weapons and use the knowledge to improve their own gunz. But just fitting a Shivan cannon on a Hecate propably wouldn't work. GTA couldn't even get the weapons of the stolen Dragon to work. So I assume the workings of Shivan weaponry isn't so straightforward.

And even though Shivan cannons are superior, they still have limitations. It wouldn't hurt GTVA to try something new for a change...


But to answer the question at hand. Yes. The GTVA is likely studying Shivan weapons. But just copying them would propably be too shotrsighted.

[FreeSpaceFreak]

Look at the tech description of the Kayser, for example. It's quite obvious that the GTVA is researching Shivan tech, but most of it is probably way too expensive or just too complicated to implement in GTVA vessels.

Still, it would be nice to reproduce some Shivan things. The Lilith, for example. If we could ever capture one of them, we would find out a lot about Shivan armour, the LRed (which is the 3d most devastating beam in FS2, twice as dangerous as the VSlash) and probably their advanced reactor technology as well. And it's very small, so there can't be a lot of Shivans in it. Thàt would make a nice mini-campaign, like the (scrapped) one on the Taranis in FS1. And it would be a credible way to start putting really advanced stuff in your own ships.

[eliex]

The hecate is more of a carrier than a warship, the hatsesput is an anti-warship destroyer, the hecate is the fighter carrier. The collosus is both, and does so well.

 Do you think it's kinda ironic that "Hecate" the Titan is SUPAR powerful but the destroyers is 
The Lucifer should be called the SD Hecate . . . like in a Homsick conversation ha ha ha . . .

[SuperCoolAl]

If the Hecate shot the Ravana's beams it would have more of a chance

Or get Alpha 1 to do it

[Kie99]

 Do you think that after Terrans realized that their weapons and Hecate destroyers were rather weak, that could not even destroy a Ravana, even less than their Vasudan counterpart, they might have tried to reproduce shivan beams, weapons?

 Or since the GTI rebellion, that kind of thing is banned.

Reproducing Shivan beams would be extremely difficult considering no Shivan ships with beams were captured.  Of course, the GTVA woulod try to make beams as powerful as the Shivans, but I imagine they're already trying to make their beams as powerful as possible.

[Snail]

The FS2 beams were photon beam cannons while the Lucifer's were flux cannons. Either the GTA and PVN didn't understand the Lucifer's beam cannons at first or their beams are completely different.

[FreeSpaceFreak]

Let's not discuss the whole "how do beams work" thing again. It's been done hundreds of times, and the conclusion was always "we don't know".

I wonder if scans of the Sath would be enough to reproduce its beams...

[Snail]

I wonder if scans of the Sath would be enough to reproduce its beams...

I doubt it. The GTA needed actual samples of shielding technology to get it working.

[terran_emperor]

I would not be surprised if there is a group know about only at the highest levels of the GTVA who work with all those captured Shivan craft, recovered wreckage and so forth. And if there was such a group, i would be very surprised af there werent at least several Hybid vessels

[Polpolion]

I would not be surprised if there is a group know about only at the highest levels of the GTVA who work with all those captured Shivan craft, recovered wreckage and so forth. And if there was such a group, i would be very surprised af there werent at least several Hybid vessels

What do you think happened in Silent Threat?

[Colonol Dekker]

In silent threat i reckon the shivans went a bit "independance day" and started taking over peoples minds somehow. Re: catching a lilith, remember the taranis! Shivans don't leave their own behind. (Maybe they're all us marines from some freaky alternate future) 

[Snail]

Shivans don't leave their own behind.

Yeah they send in Basilisk fighters to destroy them.

[Colonol Dekker]

very true, no surrender no retreat. Good and true rules of combat, kinda like covvies.

[Mustang19]

 Do you think that after Terrans realized that their weapons and Hecate destroyers were rather weak, that could not even destroy a Ravana, even less than their Vasudan counterpart, they might have tried to reproduce shivan beams, weapons?

 Or since the GTI rebellion, that kind of thing is banned.

What are you guys talking about? The Ravana has four main beams (two SRed, two LRED), the Hecate has five (four TerSlash and one BGreen). It all depends on positioning. All the Ravana's firepower is forward, the Hecate has only one forward beam (the BGreen) but good flank protection. Overall the Hecate's main weapons actually overpower the Ravanas' in terms of simple damage/second by roughly 7000 points.

[Kie99]

 Do you think that after Terrans realized that their weapons and Hecate destroyers were rather weak, that could not even destroy a Ravana, even less than their Vasudan counterpart, they might have tried to reproduce shivan beams, weapons?

 Or since the GTI rebellion, that kind of thing is banned.

What are you guys talking about? The Ravana has four main beams (two SRed, two LRED), the Hecate has five (four TerSlash and one BGreen). It all depends on positioning. All the Ravana's firepower is forward, the Hecate has only one forward beam (the BGreen) but good flank protection. Overall the Hecate's main weapons actually overpower the Ravanas' in terms of simple damage/second by roughly 7000 points.

That doesn't take into account how quickly the beams can recharge though, does it?