[Admiral_Stones]

Found on the top google bar:

http://www.godlovessoldiers.com

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[achtung]

We are Global Media Outreach, a ministry of Campus Crusade for Christ

Those bastards are active here at my school.  They can get really annoying.

[Ford Prefect]

This all seemed pretty complicated until I saw the diagrams. They're really helpful.

[jdjtcagle]

We are Global Media Outreach, a ministry of Campus Crusade for Christ

Those bastards are active here at my school.  They can get really annoying.

I understand there are not many religious people here but please stop using vulgar language to describe them just because a goup annoys you.  It's contagious to have anti-religious view around here and to ignore/flame my post but it's not fair to people with a religious conviction to be put under one category and hated.  I don't agree with mainstream Christianity, but then again who does?

There are many bigots in the world and what your doing is being one like it or not.

Everybody believes in something, (atheist, deist, agnostic) you don't see me calling anyone these views vulgar names.  It shows immaturity and unwillingness to show tolerance to other peoples beliefs.  Which could also mean insecurity in your own position which I don't believe is very rational for one to hold.

P.S.  I'm not defending the article because I don't agree with them, but I do respect what they hold to be true

[Mefustae]

I understand there are not many religious people here but please stop using vulgar language to describe them just because a goup annoys you.  It's contagious to have anti-religious view around here and to ignore/flame my post but it's not fair to people with a religious conviction to be put under one category and hated.  I don't agree with mainstream Christianity, but then again who does?

There are many bigots in the world and what your doing is being one like it or not.

Everybody believes in something, (atheist, deist, agnostic) you don't see me calling anyone these views vulgar names.  It shows immaturity and unwillingness to show tolerance to other peoples beliefs.  Which could also mean insecurity in your own position which I don't believe is very rational for one to hold.

Get off your bloody high-horse, you might fall and break your neck.

Let's dissect Swantz' post here:

We are Global Media Outreach, a ministry of Campus Crusade for Christ

Those bastards are active here at my school.  They can get really annoying.

He directly refers to the Global Media Outreach (the ministry of Campus Crusade for Christ) as 'bastards'. Nowhere does he imply that all Christians are bastards. Quite a few Christians are bastards, so even if he had it wouldn't have been a big issue. Next, you'll notice that he describes them as 'active at his school', thereby implying that he has some personal experience with this group. Therefore, he has a unique perspective of these people that you do not possess, so for all we know they might very well be born out of wedlock. Every single one of them. Thirdly and finally, **** political correctness. He has an opinion of these people, and he expressed it. Deal with it.

Do us all a favour and drop the holier-than-thou attitude.

[jdjtcagle]

Nobody is better than anybody else,  we all make choices and we all take responsibility for are actions, from what I can tell he has a "holier-than-thou" attitude against these "b******s"

I did not claim to be any better than anybody else or make any right choices in my lifetime and trying to discredit me because of my views is rhetoric.

I apologize for accusing him of connecting the organization with christianity because he doesn't... but the post is offensive

[G0atmaster]

As a Christian, I do have to ask... what the heck?  This is wrong on so many levels.  The overall message, I get.  But why is this targeting soldiers specifically? And what's with the diagrams?  They don't really do a good job of speaking to people in a language they understand.

I'm gonna find the person who created this and explain to them that they can't look at any particular person as a "project."  

Yeah, this doesn't represent me.

[Polpolion]

Nobody is better than anybody else,  we all make choices and we all take responsibility for are actions,

Really? I was always under the impression that Gandhi was better than Hitler, but apparently I've been suffering delusions.

[jdjtcagle]

We all start out the same, and whether being influenced (externally or internally) we all make decisions that affect our live and course.

What we reap is what we sow

[Polpolion]

We all start out the same, and whether being influenced (externally or internally) we all make decisions that affect our live and course.

What we reap is what we sow

That's like saying everything is pretty much the same because it's all made up of the same few types of sub-atomic particles.

[G0atmaster]

Yeah, pretty much.  When the Andromeda galaxy collides with the Milky Way, or if you want a more near-sighted one, when the sun dies, who will remember the exploits of humankind?

[jdjtcagle]

Yeah, but also depends on which view you have... naturalistic is probably a more common one here.  The question is... is there really free will OR just internal (genetics) or external (peers, experiences, etc.) influencing every bodies lives.

Something like dominoes, dominoes representing the influences plummeting towards a person on the edge of a cliff... did he commit suicide or pushed?

[BloodEagle]

Nobody is better than anybody else,  we all make choices and we all take responsibility for are actions,

Really? I was always under the impression that Gandhi was better than Hitler, but apparently I've been suffering delusions.

Hitler was better than Gandhi... at getting syphilis. 

[achtung]

jdjtcagle, listen.

You're taking this way too far.  I'm not calling them bastards because they're Christian, I'm calling them bastards because they're annoying.  When I refer to "them" I mean the organizations as a whole.  You may call this generalization, but that's too bad.  If an organization uses bad PR people, it's going to reflect on the entire organization. 

I have experience with the folks from Campus Crusade for Christ.  They can get very "in your face" about pushing their faith sometimes.  This annoys me, thus I lose respect for their organization and call them what I would call anything I find annoying, "bastards."  Anyone can get this designation from me after going through a very simple process.

Let's take a look:



Note for the future:
Don't act like there's some sort of prejudice/discrimination just so you can take the moral high ground. 

[colecampbell666]

The diagrams are "very" helpful. What is with the US Military's overly Christian attitude? Yes, I know that "This is a Christian nation..." but not everyone loves Jesus.

And the ads are getting really ****ty. Have you seen the ThinkSearchBe/ChallengeThisDeal ones? The Pyramid Scam ones? (reversefunnelsystem.com)

[jdjtcagle]

jdjtcagle, listen.

You're taking this way too far.  I'm not calling them bastards because they're Christian, I'm calling them bastards because they're annoying.  When I refer to "them" I mean the organizations as a whole.  You may call this generalization, but that's too bad.  If an organization uses bad PR people, it's going to reflect on the entire organization. 

I have experience with the folks from Campus Crusade for Christ.  They can get very "in your face" about pushing their faith sometimes.  This annoys me, thus I lose respect for their organization and call them what I would call anything I find annoying, "bastards."  Anyone can get this designation from me after going through a very simple process.

Let's take a look:


Note for the future:
Don't act like there's some sort of prejudice/discrimination just so you can take the moral high ground. 

Thanks for the reply, I believe you are correct religion can and is forced, it KILLS me but I used to do the same thing.  I believe differently now about "winning souls", I was young then and that's the main reason I left HLP the first time.  I do take offense because they are ignorant (IMO) and don't deserve no more than what other ignorant Christian's do, which is direction.

also, you try being a Christian here
There is of prejudice but not everybody...  again I respect your post .

[Polpolion]

Yeah, but also depends on which view you have... naturalistic is probably a more common one here.  The question is... is there really free will OR just internal (genetics) or external (peers, experiences, etc.) influencing every bodies lives.

Something like dominoes, dominoes representing the influences plummeting towards a person on the edge of a cliff... did he commit suicide or pushed?

Except whether we have free will or not doesn't really matter, because for all practical purposes, we do indeed have free will. If I like tacos, I am going to eat them because I like them. If in the same reality, I am actually being forced to eat the tacos, I don't really care because it seems like I am eating it because I want to, as opposed to it being my destiny. Free will is an entirely arbitrary thing.

Even if we don't have free will, the stuff that we are "forced" to do is the stuff that we would be doing anyway.

[colecampbell666]

Yeah, but also depends on which view you have... naturalistic is probably a more common one here.  The question is... is there really free will OR just internal (genetics) or external (peers, experiences, etc.) influencing every bodies lives.

Something like dominoes, dominoes representing the influences plummeting towards a person on the edge of a cliff... did he commit suicide or pushed?

Except whether we have free will or not doesn't really matter, because for all practical purposes, we do indeed have free will. If I like tacos, I am going to eat them because I like them. If in the same reality, I am actually being forced to eat the tacos, I don't really care because it seems like I am eating it because I want to, as opposed to it being my destiny. Free will is an entirely arbitrary thing.

Even if we don't have free will, the stuff that we are "forced" to do is the stuff that we would be doing anyway.

To quote Mark Twain (sort of) A job is play until you get payed to do it. Then it's a job.

[Flipside]

It's like watching a pile-up in a pea-soup fog on the M25, just when you think you've seen the worst of it, another car hits the fog bank at 60.....

[colecampbell666]

  What?