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Offline Chiss

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Sol - A History problem + other questions?
I installed SAH and i wonder which mode must be active in order for SAH to work properly...

AND an extremly noobish question: what is "Media vp's"??? Are they part of the game or something to download? This problem causes all of the campaigns for SCP except of INFR1 to run on Retail FS2 graphics...

Problem #3: My original (CD) version of FS2 is REALLY WEIRD. It has no voice wav's what so ever, so i had to enjoy complete silence in kinda 5 years.  (Even when I installed SCP, voices don't work) And... the FRED (both FRED original and FRED SCP) can't make campaigns. The question is... Should I download full FS2 from this site or HC or can I fix this problem some other way?? If i need to download it, can you link please?

And... can you guys suggest any good modelling programs (with a good tutorial too, i'm completely zero on those kinds of things)



 

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Re: Sol - A History problem + other questions?
I installed SAH and i wonder which mode must be active in order for SAH to work properly...
Are there any mentionings in the manual? I'm not swearing this in the name of Ba'al or anything, but it might require FSPort and InfR1.

Quote from: Chiss
AND an extremly noobish question: what is "Media vp's"??? Are they part of the game or something to download? This problem causes all of the campaigns for SCP except of INFR1 to run on Retail FS2 graphics...
If you take a look at your \freespace\ folder, you'll notice that there are vp files in there. vp files are containers, much like zips but without compression. MediaVPs are files that include high poly models and seriously revamped textures. The 3.6.10 MediaVPs also contain normal maps. You can find MediaVPs release threads from the FreeSpace Upgrade Project board. Or, you can use Turey's Installer to download them without unnecessary hassle. The Installer will download them to \freespace\mediavps and that's where you also might want to install them if you decide to download the manually. The MediaVPs are used by selecting the \mediavps\ folder from your Launcher's MOD tab.
In addition, you want to play a mod, like Derelict, but with the graphical enhancements provided by the MediaVPs, you'll need to have a mod.ini file in the mod folder, like Derelict in this case. You might want to take a look at the modding section of Karajorma's FreeSpace FAQ, since it will explain the issue quite well. Better than I would, at least. But, again, if you use Turey's Installer, it should provide you with the necessary mod.ini files so that you don't need to think about the issue.

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My original (CD) version of FS2 is REALLY WEIRD. It has no voice wav's what so ever, so i had to enjoy complete silence in kinda 5 years.  (Even when I installed SCP, voices don't work)
Apparently your stu_fs2.vp is either broken or missing altogether. I can't advertise this enough: run Turey's Installer over your FreeSpace installation. It should detect the flawed stu file and redownload it. If you notice no changes, remove the stu_fs2.vp from the folder and try again.

Links to both Turey's Installer and Karajorma's FreeSpace FAQ can be found from my signature.
23:40 < achillion > EveningTea: ass
23:40 < achillion > wait no
23:40 < achillion > evilbagel: ass
23:40 < EveningTea > ?
23:40 < achillion > 2-letter tab complete failure

14:08 < achillion > there's too much talk of butts and dongs in here
14:08 < achillion > the level of discourse has really plummeted
14:08 < achillion > Let's talk about politics instead
14:08 <@The_E > butts and dongs are part of #hard-light's brand now
14:08 <@The_E > well
14:08 <@The_E > EvilBagel's brand, at least

01:06 < T-Rog > welp
01:07 < T-Rog > I've got to take some very strong antibiotics
01:07 < achillion > penis infection?
01:08 < T-Rog > Chlamydia
01:08 < achillion > O.o
01:09 < achillion > well
01:09 < achillion > I guess that happens
01:09 < T-Rog > at least it's curable
01:09 < achillion > yeah
01:10 < T-Rog > I take it you weren't actually expecting it to be a penis infection
01:10 < achillion > I was not

14:04 < achillion > Sometimes the way to simplify is to just have a habit and not think about it too much
14:05 < achillion > until stuff explodes
14:05 < achillion > then you start thinking about it

22:16 < T-Rog > I don't know how my gf would feel about Jewish conspiracy porn

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15:47 < EvilBagel> butt
15:51 < Achillion> yes
15:53 <-INFO > EveningTea [[email protected]] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client]

18:53 < Achillion> Dicks are fun

21:41 < MatthTheGeek> you can't spell assassin without two asses

20:05 < sigtau> i'm mining titcoins from now on

00:31 < oldlaptop> Drunken antisocial educated freezing hicks with good Internet == Finland stereotype

11:46 <-INFO > Kobrar [[email protected]] has joined #hard-light
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11:50 < achtung> Double Vaginal Double ANal
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Re: Sol - A History problem + other questions?
Morale: -1  :(

Thread read 27 times, only one reply...and total exploitation of one of the most terrible aspects of the community, the almost complete lack of "how to get started with FS Open" sections. Oh, another problem... "only a few members care about newcomers and their problems".  :ick:

And there still is someone(maybe an Administrator? :rolleyes:) who doesn't want to focus the attention of the community on newcomers and their problems/requests. Go for the Welcoming Fiasco, Go!  :sigh:
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Re: Sol - A History problem + other questions?
Get over yourself, Mobius.  Lobo already posted a fine explanation up above; it's rather useless for anyone else to post help until the original poster provides more feedback.  And "an administrator" never once spoke against focusing on the problems of new players; what he spoke out against was the utterly asinine practice of not-so-new players creating some childish game out of "targeting" new players with an old and tired board meme.  Also, the presence of an entire section in the site's wiki dedicated to new players get started seems to have slipped your mind.

 

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Re: Sol - A History problem + other questions?
Sol: A History Requires INF R1, preferebly with the SCP patch
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Re: Sol - A History problem + other questions?
Preferably WITHOUT the SCP patch.

 

Offline terran_emperor

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Re: Sol - A History problem + other questions?
Actually it worked fine for me with the SCP patch...I was getting model bugs galore without it - When i got past a certain distance, the models of ships were replaced by orange flying triangluar wedges. Now that may be because i screwed up somewhere in SCP instalation but this before i know about Trurey's installer or could download it
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Offline Snail

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Re: Sol - A History problem + other questions?
Technically the SCP patch messes up the tables for SAH or something. This is why Woomeister has stated that if you're modding INF SCP (when it comes out :P) then you should always be using a modular table (.tbm) in case a new patch comes out and messes everything up.

 

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Re: Sol - A History problem + other questions?
I do remember getting those. I just went in and edited the TBLs so that the errors went away. But Adding the SCP patch removed that graphics error that i got
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Re: Sol - A History problem + other questions?
It must have been a texture error, then... Did you get the same thing on INFR1 or only on SAH?

 

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Re: Sol - A History problem + other questions?
Get over yourself, Mobius.  Lobo already posted a fine explanation up above; it's rather useless for anyone else to post help until the original poster provides more feedback.  And "an administrator" never once spoke against focusing on the problems of new players; what he spoke out against was the utterly asinine practice of not-so-new players creating some childish game out of "targeting" new players with an old and tired board meme.  Also, the presence of an entire section in the site's wiki dedicated to new players get started seems to have slipped your mind.

4 hours between the first and the second post. 4 hours during which the thread has been ignored. It's easy to consider "childish" something you don't know :rolleyes:

Technically the SCP patch messes up the tables for SAH or something. This is why Woomeister has stated that if you're modding INF SCP (when it comes out :P) then you should always be using a modular table (.tbm) in case a new patch comes out and messes everything up.

I thought it was for stability reasons, with or without patches.
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Re: Sol - A History problem + other questions?
@ Snail
I got the Same thing for R1...it was very surreal seeing formless shapes blowing eachother to scrop

I aslo got it for the FS2 campaign, but that was be cause i didnt have all the right VPs installed
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Re: Sol - A History problem + other questions?
@ Snail
I got the Same thing for R1...it was very surreal seeing formless shapes blowing eachother to scrop

I aslo got it for the FS2 campaign, but that was be cause i didnt have all the right VPs installed

In that case it had nothing to do with S:AH, it was the messed up crap of INFR1 running on SCP (unpredictable things can happen when you do this). It is advisable NOT to use the SCP patch with S:AH since they have conflicting tables or something.

I thought it was for stability reasons, with or without patches.

Well the thing is, if you modify the table itself, when the new patches come out, they will either take no effect OR completely break your modded table. If you use .tbms, then the patches will have no problem in fixing the bugs without damaging your .tbms. At least that's how I see it. But I guess stability reasons are also important...

 

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Re: Sol - A History problem + other questions?
Speaking as someone who recently discovered and started using FSO I can say without a doubt that getting into it is hostile. The FAQ and Wiki proved to be completely useless with the exception for providing the FSO automatic installer.

The only reason I got as far as I did was because of my general computer knowledge and pure desire to get into some space combat (I fondly remember Xwing Alliance). It took me a while to find the latest OpenAL (and I only knew what it was and why it was needed, and that I didnt have it because of basic computer knowledge) I played FS2 for 3 days before I realised why everyone said not to use Direct3D... list goes on. I also wanted to know what a mediavp was at one point (what eventually gave it away was a list of what was in the 3.6.8 mediavps written in the thread).

Some knowledge taken for granted by the community who have been involved for so long.

Ive kind of motivated myself to make some changes/additions to the Wiki. It would be more constructive than complaining.

 

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Re: Sol - A History problem + other questions?
In your face, Mefustae! :P

Mobius was wrong? :rolleyes:
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Re: Sol - A History problem + other questions?
The most important thing, feltoar, is that everyone's happy (except Mobius, he'll always be beyond happiness and beyond the realm of human understanding).

 

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Re: Excessive debate about the cruelty that newcomers have to endure.
4 hours between the first and the second post. 4 hours during which the thread has been ignored. It's easy to consider "childish" something you don't know :rolleyes:[/color][/i]
As much as we all would want to keep watch here for any technical or other issues 24/7, Real LifeTM just tends to get in the way. Repeatedly. And even if people happen to read the thread, they might not know what to say. And at least I try to follow a simple ideology: if you can't assist with a problem, it is most likely the best option to just shut up. I know I break the rule occasionally, but I don't have a habit of posting something completely irrelevant to support plea threads.
« Last Edit: February 17, 2008, 10:27:44 am by Lobo »
23:40 < achillion > EveningTea: ass
23:40 < achillion > wait no
23:40 < achillion > evilbagel: ass
23:40 < EveningTea > ?
23:40 < achillion > 2-letter tab complete failure

14:08 < achillion > there's too much talk of butts and dongs in here
14:08 < achillion > the level of discourse has really plummeted
14:08 < achillion > Let's talk about politics instead
14:08 <@The_E > butts and dongs are part of #hard-light's brand now
14:08 <@The_E > well
14:08 <@The_E > EvilBagel's brand, at least

01:06 < T-Rog > welp
01:07 < T-Rog > I've got to take some very strong antibiotics
01:07 < achillion > penis infection?
01:08 < T-Rog > Chlamydia
01:08 < achillion > O.o
01:09 < achillion > well
01:09 < achillion > I guess that happens
01:09 < T-Rog > at least it's curable
01:09 < achillion > yeah
01:10 < T-Rog > I take it you weren't actually expecting it to be a penis infection
01:10 < achillion > I was not

14:04 < achillion > Sometimes the way to simplify is to just have a habit and not think about it too much
14:05 < achillion > until stuff explodes
14:05 < achillion > then you start thinking about it

22:16 < T-Rog > I don't know how my gf would feel about Jewish conspiracy porn

15:41 <-INFO > EveningTea [[email protected]] has joined #hard-light
15:47 < EvilBagel> butt
15:51 < Achillion> yes
15:53 <-INFO > EveningTea [[email protected]] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client]

18:53 < Achillion> Dicks are fun

21:41 < MatthTheGeek> you can't spell assassin without two asses

20:05 < sigtau> i'm mining titcoins from now on

00:31 < oldlaptop> Drunken antisocial educated freezing hicks with good Internet == Finland stereotype

11:46 <-INFO > Kobrar [[email protected]] has joined #hard-light
11:50 < achtung> Surely you've heard of DVDA
11:50 < achtung> Double Vaginal Double ANal
11:51 < Kobrar> ...
11:51 <-INFO > Kobrar [[email protected]] has left #hard-light []

 

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Re: Sol - A History problem + other questions?
You need 4 hours to get someone available to explain what the media vps are? :wtf: :P
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Re: Excessive debate about the cruelty that newcomers have to endure.
Typing "mediavps make FS2 purdy" doesn't take long but the person asking about them will still be like :confused: after an answer like that.
« Last Edit: February 17, 2008, 10:27:34 am by Lobo »
23:40 < achillion > EveningTea: ass
23:40 < achillion > wait no
23:40 < achillion > evilbagel: ass
23:40 < EveningTea > ?
23:40 < achillion > 2-letter tab complete failure

14:08 < achillion > there's too much talk of butts and dongs in here
14:08 < achillion > the level of discourse has really plummeted
14:08 < achillion > Let's talk about politics instead
14:08 <@The_E > butts and dongs are part of #hard-light's brand now
14:08 <@The_E > well
14:08 <@The_E > EvilBagel's brand, at least

01:06 < T-Rog > welp
01:07 < T-Rog > I've got to take some very strong antibiotics
01:07 < achillion > penis infection?
01:08 < T-Rog > Chlamydia
01:08 < achillion > O.o
01:09 < achillion > well
01:09 < achillion > I guess that happens
01:09 < T-Rog > at least it's curable
01:09 < achillion > yeah
01:10 < T-Rog > I take it you weren't actually expecting it to be a penis infection
01:10 < achillion > I was not

14:04 < achillion > Sometimes the way to simplify is to just have a habit and not think about it too much
14:05 < achillion > until stuff explodes
14:05 < achillion > then you start thinking about it

22:16 < T-Rog > I don't know how my gf would feel about Jewish conspiracy porn

15:41 <-INFO > EveningTea [[email protected]] has joined #hard-light
15:47 < EvilBagel> butt
15:51 < Achillion> yes
15:53 <-INFO > EveningTea [[email protected]] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client]

18:53 < Achillion> Dicks are fun

21:41 < MatthTheGeek> you can't spell assassin without two asses

20:05 < sigtau> i'm mining titcoins from now on

00:31 < oldlaptop> Drunken antisocial educated freezing hicks with good Internet == Finland stereotype

11:46 <-INFO > Kobrar [[email protected]] has joined #hard-light
11:50 < achtung> Surely you've heard of DVDA
11:50 < achtung> Double Vaginal Double ANal
11:51 < Kobrar> ...
11:51 <-INFO > Kobrar [[email protected]] has left #hard-light []

 

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Re: Sol - A History problem + other questions?
That's the best a member can write, in your opinion? Everyone here knows how to use the mediavps and should be able to come out with a better explanation.
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