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The it's a game argument bites arse i know. Who's to say that the gta didn't discover a super element, i thought our nukes used uranium and beryllium? That's moot anyway. 300 years is a long time to refine tools of war, 100 years ago it took 3 months by boat to get to africa.

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The problem is that there aren't a lot of new elements left to discover and most of them decay in a few milliseconds anyway. Even if there is a super heavy element which could produce more energy it could only undergo nuclear fission not fusion.

(I am aware of the ''it's a game'' problematic, I just want to prevent people from starting pointlessly heated debates about completely unrealistic data which lead nowhere, and maybe to a locked thread in the end. But feel free to continue the discusion, just don't die over those contradictions)   

 
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I think the 5000 megatons was probably just technobabble. What I got from the tech description was that it was a really, really, really badass bomb.

 

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Which is the most important thing considering it is a game.
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Maybe they develop a new process then :) who's to know. I just had a thought. Perhaps the 5000 is the total for the six bombs each craft was limited to, which makes me wonder why the gta didn't just hardwire a support ship to remote detonate with a full payload of say, 30. Regarding troop delivery, i reckon the gta may have some repulsor style anti g system to allow argo's to enter atmosphere. :)
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Just noticed this bit...

Quote from: Tech entry
most effective when used in preemptive defensive strike against non-military installations.

So this weapon is most effective when used against civilians before the war... On the other hand... what weapon wouldn't be...
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When talking about planetary bombardments torpedoes are usually overestimated because of the blast radius.

These bombs are actually usually underestimated because of their blast radius. Get a harbinger in atmosphere and you'll have one hell of a bigger explosion.
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Not to mention it's a salted fission warhead, which produces MORE radiation if I'm not mistaken.

They're huge AND designed to create more fallout. I'd hate to have one explode on MY planet.

 

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Not to mention it's a salted fission warhead, which produces MORE radiation if I'm not mistaken.

They're huge AND designed to create more fallout. I'd hate to have one explode on MY planet.
I would hate for one of those bombs in my Ursa to just out of nowhere go *Boom*.
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When talking about planetary bombardments torpedoes are usually overestimated because of the blast radius.

These bombs are actually usually underestimated because of their blast radius. Get a harbinger in atmosphere and you'll have one hell of a bigger explosion.

This kind of topics ends with comments like yours. An important thing: atmospheres aren't all the same...is it going to influence the effectiveness of a planetary bombardment?
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Well, since this discussion is under the assumption of attacking earth like atmospheres since that's where we're all getting our atmospheric basing from. Feel super duper proud that you just pulled an idea out of your nether regions because you didn't want to think about how a nuke detonates in atmosphere.

1. a nuke going off in space is just an unleashing of energy, in space you'd probably want focussed charge nukes to be able to do any damage to the heavily armored capships in fs.
2. an atmosphere provides a medium for some nasty shockwaves. Different atmospheres will have different results in the severity of the shockwave. I'm guessing the severity of the shockwave would be judged by atmospheric density and pressure (based on how thick the atmosphere in question is and whether or not that'll be a bigger or smaller shockwave). One thing is sure of all nukes going off in atmosphere. Atmospheres will provide that medium for a shockwave where a vacuum wont provide a medium for such a nasty shockwave.

Thanks for the comment. I guess with average sounding comments like mine and everyone elses that in this thread that you decided to quote mine. Thx for giving me the honor of having the last word and calling me right because by you i "ends this" kind of topics. That's a crowning achievement, but i think you just don't like something. Could you not handle me quoting you in the first place and saying something to the contrary for furthering the topic?

When talking about planetary bombardments torpedoes are usually overestimated because of the blast radius.

These bombs are actually usually underestimated because of their blast radius. Get a harbinger in atmosphere and you'll have one hell of a bigger explosion.

This kind of topics ends with comments like yours. An important thing: atmospheres aren't all the same...is it going to influence the effectiveness of a planetary bombardment?

Somehow this got into panty bunching in some random part of the world where there's evidently panties....and pink.
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I don't get the reason behind this particular kind of flaming...

I said that this topic's not the first discussing the subject. The other topics end with the classic "blast radius + atmosphere = annihilation" thing. Where's the problem with that?!?

"Earth like"? Earth's atmosphere changed in the past and habitable planets/satellites aren't al supposed to be Earth-like. We're discussing planetary bombardments in general...the list of targets include planets/satellites that have been colonized, not Terra-Vasuda Prime(home planets). Try to imagine something like the Moon with a very poor atmosphere...I don't think the Harbinger would be that lethal there.
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What Ess Ninety-Nine is saying is that you're trying to "end the topic" in every discussion. Like "You're wrong, I'm right, period," which I must admit, annoys the living **** outta me.

 

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I don't want to end the topic. I want to see more theories and opinions other than "blast radius + atmosphere = annihilation". What I posted above is enough to discuss other aspects of the subject.
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"Earth like"? Earth's atmosphere changed in the past and habitable planets/satellites aren't al supposed to be Earth-like. We're discussing planetary bombardments in general...the list of targets include planets/satellites that have been colonized, not Terra-Vasuda Prime(home planets). Try to imagine something like the Moon with a very poor atmosphere...I don't think the Harbinger would be that lethal there.

I'll just give my list again here from my previous post since i was imagining an explosion in varying atmospheric and no atmospheric conditions

1. a nuke going off in space is just an unleashing of energy, in space you'd probably want focussed charge nukes to be able to do any damage to the heavily armored capships in fs.
2. an atmosphere provides a medium for some nasty shockwaves. Different atmospheres will have different results in the severity of the shockwave. I'm guessing the severity of the shockwave would be judged by atmospheric density and pressure (based on how thick the atmosphere in question is and whether or not that'll be a bigger or smaller shockwave). One thing is sure of all nukes going off in atmosphere. Atmospheres will provide that medium for a shockwave where a vacuum wont provide a medium for such a nasty shockwave.

OK, with that being said a second time, plus the fact that not anyone in this topic was getting into the specifics of atmospheres either in this whole thread. So when anyone talks about atmosphere in here, they're probably talking about something like vasuda primes atmosphere which was very much like earths (considering that humans could survive in their atmosphere which happens in the fs1 ref bible). How do i figure in this topic that everyone was talking about an atmosphere similar to earths? Everyone in the topic was basing off of information known about our own local atmosphere which i assume was happening since no one got into specifics. The only person who got into specifics about this was you mobius, and you don't read minds. It's not a bad turn in subject at all. In fact it's quite a necessary one when talking about orbital bombardment. But the fact remains, no matter what kind of atmosphere there is, a nuke going off inside of it will have a lot bigger shockwave than the a nuke going off in space. And since you didn't want to be wrong you brought in the "well well what about other kinds of atmosphere?".

This led you to the moon. LOL, i mean talk about an obvious ploy here...desperation, perspiration. The moon is a horrible thing to compare with a real atmosphere. The moons atmosphere is so negligible it might as well be just a nuke going off in a vacuum. Now if you want to say like a nuke going off on mars as opposed to earth, then that wouldn't be a ploy, that would actually further the argument. As such, Mars will probably result in a smaller shockwave because mars's atmosphere is a lot thinner.
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Not to mention if there are any sort of elements supporting combustion in an atmosphere, you'll get a fireball in addition to the shockwave.
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Or EMP...
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It all makes me wonder how much other planets are populated. We know Vasuda Prime and Earth are obviously filled with their respective species, but how populated are planets in other systems? It makes me wonder if people outside their home systems live primarily on planets or on installations.

If a planet has very little population and settlement, but it is known that there's a military base on it, it would stand to good reason to launch a couple huge freaking nukes. Make sure you got it.

 

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Weeell... According to GTA doctrine (the harbinger tech entry thing) they would probably just bomb the civilians on the planets where there are no military installations (to maximize weapons effectiveness...).

Actually using nukes when invading a planet or using really hard hitting chemical or biological weapons is generally a very bad idea if your plan was to conquer the planet. That is you probably would like to conquer something else than radioactive and/or toxic wasteland - given that enemies will probably respond in kind that is the most likely ultimate result. Of course if you plan on genocide then it doesn't matter as you probably won't even want to land to the planet in the first place. Tactical (ie. small ones, not things like Harbinger) nukes are different matter though.
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