[Snail]

The cutscene is wrong, blowfish is right: Colossus 6km, Lucifer 3km. Or maybe it's volume wise. Dunno.

[Mars]

Volumetrically it looks plausible.

[Snail]

Well in the cutscene comparison (the one where they have the Lucy and the Colly) they supersized the Colossus anyway.

[blowfish]

Or they just shrank the lucifer.

[FreeSpaceFreak]

This one?

Yes, that one. It kinda proves that the Collie's fighterbay is big enough to carry everything it needs.
I think the cutscene was made with the original Collie design (it doesn't have all those turrets in-game, IIRC), but weakened it afterwards, for gameplay purposes.

[AlphaOne]

Considering the size of the jugg's in FS2 such as the Sath and the Collie those things should in theory be able to carry at least 500 or more spacecrafts. And still have room to spare . And yeah the Collie should really have more beamm cannons and turrets . But you know the whole game ballance thing and stuff.

Also considering that the Sath has more firepower in those 4 beams then the entire broadside of the Collie is really well stupid IMO. Hell the Sath has in those 4 Beam cannons almost the firepower of the Collie. So yeah...it really is weak. At the very least 50% of the Beams should have been Mjolnir beams since thy are much better then even the BFGreen . With the reast of them beeing BFGreens of BGreens. This would made the Collie a real threat to even the mighty Sath close range or not .

[Colonol Dekker]

RBC's are a more recent development than the collie, they're a bit big too. Granted retrofits are probably likely i would've thought the process to be awkward. The collie took 20 years to build, maybe it's a bit incompatible with more recent tech.

[AlphaOne]

Well considering the age of the Orion we have seen that most terran ships are very suited for refits. The vasudan ones well not so much we have the example of the Typhoon. My guess is by the time the Collie was finished at least half of its sistems were no longer cutting edge tech and the most recent developments but would of become standard for almost all the ships we see in FS 2 and some of them would of become old. My guess is the Collie would of sustained upgrades to its sistems at least some of its sistems within a year or so of its depelyoment in order to keep it up to speed.


Regarding the size of the Mjolnir i agree they are a recent adition to the GTVA arsenal and as such are not fully matured tech. My guess is that withing one or 2 years of theyr development the RBC's would of evolved to the next stage which would be a more smaller version the them with the same power . Within 5 years or so we could of seen Mjolnir's mounted on warships such as the Collie.

[Snail]

Sorry, but what's a Typhoon?


Anyway, I agree that some things may be out of date, and the fact that the Colossus took 20 years to build probably meant that it had to undergo a lot of refits and stuff.

However, I do not agree that the Mjolnir may be added to every ship in the fleet. Mjolnirs are only seen in ONE mission in the game, and only in small numbers. I think they would be exceedingly expensive, and every single one might need its own reactor (VERY likely since they're not connected to anything anyway). Retrofitting a ship with a load of Mjolnirs without independent reactors may cause stress on the ships reactor, and it's probably not feasible to add 20+ extra reactors on a ship.

Maybe in 20 or so years, but not in 5 years.

[blowfish]

I think he meant Typhon.

[AlphaOne]

Yeah thats the one! Sorry keep renaming it after the Typhoon class submarines of the Russian federation. The biggest ones in existence. Those things put to shame i believe even an aircraft carrier.

Anyway I never said that it would be feasable on all ships and all the beams to be mjolnirs. But i do believe the at least the Hecate would benefit from aMjolnir and not just the Hecate. Also with the desperation grippling the GTVA they would really invest heavely into the further development of the Mjolnir and other shivan based weapons and beam cannons and reactors etc. And if everithing goes acording to plan they might even improve on many things they learned from the shivans.


Anyway at the size of the Mjolnir the Collie could easely equip at least 6 or 8 of them beams and the added reactors for them. Just get rid of 10 or 20 bommbers.

[brandx0]

The biggest ones in existence. Those things put to shame i believe even an aircraft carrier.

Not even close, The Typhoon is 175m long with a maximum submerged displacement of around 48000 tons, while a nimitz class aircraft carrier is 340m long with a maximum displacement of over 100,000 tons

[Polpolion]

Yeah thats the one! Sorry keep renaming it after the Typhoon class submarines of the Russian federation. The biggest ones in existence. Those things put to shame i believe even an aircraft carrier.

Anyway I never said that it would be feasable on all ships and all the beams to be mjolnirs. But i do believe the at least the Hecate would benefit from aMjolnir and not just the Hecate. Also with the desperation grippling the GTVA they would really invest heavely into the further development of the Mjolnir and other shivan based weapons and beam cannons and reactors etc. And if everithing goes acording to plan they might even improve on many things they learned from the shivans.


Anyway at the size of the Mjolnir the Collie could easely equip at least 6 or 8 of them beams and the added reactors for them. Just get rid of 10 or 20 bommbers.

You know, a Mjolnir isn't much more powerful than an SGreen, and its no where near as powerful as a BGreen.

[blowfish]

But its high refire rate makes it more effective than a BGreen.

[Polpolion]

But its high refire rate makes it more effective than a BGreen.

According to the wiki, the mjolnr#home has a damage potential for 44,000 damage per minute, as opposed to the BGreen's potential of 45,000 damage per minute. I'd favor the BGreen because it squeezes more damage in per shot, but in reality it simply depends on personal preference and/or the situation.

[blowfish]

But the fixed beam is the second best beam in the game.  Fixed beams have their limitations though.

[Polpolion]

But the fixed beam is the second best beam in the game.  Fixed beams have their limitations though.

IIRC the fixed beam is never actually used in canon FS2.

[blowfish]

Looking at the mission file (the one where RBCs are used), 2 of the Mjolnirs are homing and the rest are fixed.

[Polpolion]

Looking at the mission file (the one where RBCs are used), 2 of the Mjolnirs are homing and the rest are fixed.

And how often do they fire when you play the mission? And anyway, beams that you have to maneuver to put into use are some of the least effective weapons. It's just too impractical and over encumbering

[Colonol Dekker]

I love that mission nearly as much as rebel intercept. Molly is the beam cannon of choice in my view.