[Woolie Wool]

And just think - the Lucifer is less than half the length of the Colossus.

Twelve Lucifier-class destroyers can fit within it's massive hull!

I think that's how it went anyway.....

Length =/= volume! If the Colossus was shrunk to half its length, width, and height, it would be 8 times smaller than it originally was. Considering that the Lucifer was less than half the length of the Colossus and less bulky, twelve Lucifers is not unreasonable.

I have seen a picture somewhere comparing an Orion to some Ursas, but I can't find it anymore.
I do think that the Colossus is big enough. Because we look at it on a computer screen, I bet there's a lot of optical illusion involved, which makes it seem smaller.

Great pic, BTW. I don't know if the sizes are correct (American aircraft carriers are twice as long as the Fenris), but that's probably because it's taken from the front. It looks kewl anyway.

Wrong. The USS Nimitz is 333 meters long. compared to 253 for a Fenris-class cruiser. The much greater height of the Fenris gives it more volume than a Nimitz-class aircraft carrier. A starship could be 5 or 6 times the mass (or more) of a seagoing vessel of the same size, considering that they do not have to float. I remember making a crude calculation of an Orion-class destroyer's mass one time and getting around 2 billion tons.

Even the smallest FS warships are huge.

[S-99]

This is purely speculation, but I think that freespace weapons that we think of as "weak" like blob turrets might actually be pretty powerful, eg one or two blob turrets could sink a present-day ship, but compared to the armor and shields they have in FS, they are weak.

Good notion. I think it's pretty obvious in the game that all of the ships are heavily armored. Not to mention also the fighters are sort of big. Not quite being flea sized, but more like fly or horse fly sized compared to the human sized colossus of this odd size correlation is sort of a wierd way to imagine it.

All of the weapons in fs are very powerful. While the blob turrets aren't the most powerful of them all, fighter weapons, flak, and anti-fighter beams definitely show that power. Then again, all of the ships in fs2 are in a transition phase from fs1 ships to more modern ships you see in fs2. However other technologies are still transitioning. And those also being weapons especially blob turrets. I wouldn't be surprised if an fs3 came out blob turrets would probably fully phased out in favor of subach capship turrets or some other kind of blob turret upgrade and replacement.

[IceyJones]

here you get an impression of the scales!

[S-99]

That's a nice comparison with the ursa there. These bombers and fighters are huge! Also in the game you're not looking from the perspective of the pilot, you're looking from the perspective of the fighter. If the whole game is from the perspective of a fighter or bomber itself, then stuff is going to seem smaller than it really is because then you have a different comparison going on. That comparison being fighters and bombers being compared to the huge ships, and not the pilots themselves being compared to the scale of the huge ships. **** in fs is huUUUUge

[Herra Tohtori]

That's a nice comparison with the ursa there. These bombers and fighters are huge! Also in the game you're not looking from the perspective of the pilot, you're looking from the perspective of the fighter. If the whole game is from the perspective of a fighter or bomber itself, then stuff is going to seem smaller than it really is because then you have a different comparison going on. That comparison being fighters and bombers being compared to the huge ships, and not the pilots themselves being compared to the scale of the huge ships. **** in fs is huUUUUge

The perspective is, by default, that of the pilot. What makes things look deceptively small is the size of the screen combined with big field of view (86 degrees by default). If you sit one metre from your screen, the screen width should be right about 187 centimetres wide to show the size-distance correctly to scale.

There's no such thing as "perspective of a fighter or bomber"... the viewpoint is in the pilot's head and the pilot remains human - and humans see sizes and distances similarly independent on whether they are flying a Piper Cherokee or a 747, though velocity can affect judgement of distances to a degree.

...might be interesting to portray playing as a Vasudan pilot with a fish-eye perspective. Pun absolutely intended.

[Woolie Wool]

Whoever did those pictures must have an awesome raytracer because those ships look like part of the photographs.

[Colonol Dekker]

I'd like an Erinyes parked outside exchange tower e14 9fr if possibie. google it.

[IceyJones]

Whoever did those pictures must have an awesome raytracer because those ships look like part of the photographs.

source of the pictures is the wiki-thread:
http://www.hard-light.net/forums/index.php/topic,52268.0.html

[Killer Whale]

The picture of th lucy in that ocean picture, wouldn't it's tail drag in the water that low? By the way, in the juggernaut invasion, you can see them orbiting the star, but as the star's hugmongous, wouldn't you only see a couple of dots, rather that a dozen warships that look quite close?

[Snail]

To whoever said otherwise, the Mjolnir Beam is much more powerful than the SGreen.

The Mjolnir Beam (homing) does 8,800 damage per shot, and waits only 7 seconds to fire again. The SGreen does 2,888 damage per shot and waits 30 seconds to fire again. No ****ing question that the Mjolnir Beam beats the SGreen.

In fact, it beats the BGreen too. The BGreen fires twice per minute, doing 52,800 damage in total. The Mjolnir Beam (homing) does 8,800 damage per pulse, and fires 8 times per minute. That's 70,400 damage per minute.

This is all of course only if the Wiki is right. If it's wrong then **** it.

[RedBaron]

eerr guys...the colossus is a very powerful ship for a superdestroyer

it destroyed a ravana class destroyer in a few seconds and took a damage of....eer maybe 5?
look at the mission where the colossus gets destroyed by the 2nd sathanas.There is this ravana with 100% vs. the colossus with 60%? and the colossus won this fight EASILY.

dont forget the sath is a juggernout class and the colossus is just a big destroyer. its like a cruiser vs a corvette or sth.

[Rico]

I always thought the Colossus was a Juggernaught, but not as powerful as a Sathanas for the simple fact that Shivan ships are always more powerful then their GTVA equiv, take the Orion VS a Ravana, or even a Hecate VS it, the Shivan version will usually win easily in a 1v1.

[Snail]

Actually I think the only decent Shivan ships in FS2 were the Sathanas, the Lilith and the Demon (maybe Rakshasa). All the other ones would usually lose to a Hatshepsut or a Orion. As for cruisers, NONE of the Shivan cruisers except the Lilith would have any chance against the good old Aeolus.

[RedBaron]

ive never seen a orion or heceate in a serios fight against any shivan ship...

there was one heceate destroyed by a sath, it was called aquarius or sth. and it was forced by command to stay and fight against the sath

[Snail]

No it was the Phoenicia.

[FreeSpaceFreak]

Actually I think the only decent Shivan ships in FS2 were the Sathanas, the Lilith and the Demon (maybe Rakshasa). All the other ones would usually lose to a Hatshepsut or a Orion. As for cruisers, NONE of the Shivan cruisers except the Lilith would have any chance against the good old Aeolus.

The Rakshasa owns an Aeolus head-on.

[Snail]

Provided the Aeolus aims its shots well and destroys even one of the Rakshasa's beams, it has the advantage of extreme flak and THTs.

[Mobius]

Depends on the shape...the Rakshasa has considerable chances of getting the Aeolus' beam cannons.

[Snail]

But the Aeolus does not rely so heavily on its beam cannons. It has flak and THTs in addition to those to Sgreens (which, BTW, suck). The Rak on the other hand, relies very heavily on its beam cannons disable those 3 you've just got to worry about 1 Shivan Turret Laser and the odd SAAA hit (from the front, that is).

[Mobius]

You're right only if we assume that the warships engage each other in a nice circus(ai goal = attack). In normal situations they wouldn't get close enough to use all weaponry.