[Akalabeth Angel]

I wonder...what if the Capella Supernova and the collapsing of the Epsilon Pegasi and Vega nodes destabilized the Gamma Draconis node, trapping the Shivans in Capella, or if the Gamma Drac - Nebula Knossos node collapsed... As if...the Capella supernova was a mistake...as in, never meant to happen, and the collapsed nodes leave the Shivans unable to run from...whatever problem hinted at.

that would be...interesting (using that for my campaign NO STEALING)

     Hmmn . . . the only thing Volition said about the Shivans was something like they're a symptom of a larger problem (though may be inaccurate depending on how long we've been playing the telephone game). I think most of the Juggernauts physically left Capella, for whereabouts unknown. Any Shivans that didn't died in capella so even if the node to GD was destablilized it wouldnt've have mattered.
      I don't know how long it would take for the supernova to become a usable Nebula, if that is in fact the end result of the action. Wasn't it said that the nebula was a supernova remnant?

[Droid803]

I don't think the Sathani escaped Capella. They went into subspace yes, but they were nowhere near a node. Which leaves them to exit within teh nebula again, if I am not mistaken.

[Akalabeth Angel]

I don't think the Sathani escaped Capella. They went into subspace yes, but they were nowhere near a node. Which leaves them to exit within teh nebula again, if I am not mistaken.

        The common theory is that it was a special subspace jump that allowed them to exit the system, potential to someplace completely unrelated. Otherwise, why would they have jumped? If they're limited to staying in the system they're going to die anyway, so why jump at all? The only reason they would've jumped is if it would have prevented their destruction, and the only way to avoid destruction is if their subspace jump took them out of Capella.

[Droid803]

Not necessarily.
I've always taken it as if they hung out in subspace until the Supernova subsided, then dropped back out?

[Snail]

Not necessarily.
I've always taken it as if they hung out in subspace until the Supernova subsided, then dropped back out?

So they waited for hundreds of years?

[Akalabeth Angel]

Not necessarily.
I've always taken it as if they hung out in subspace until the Supernova subsided, then dropped back out?

So they waited for hundreds of years?

          I've never got the impression that Subspace was anything that a person could "hang around in" anyway. That's a non-canon myth perpetuated by Homesick and Derelict imo (and maybe some other campaigns I don't know about). I've always thought for example that the subspace tunnel was not a tunnel per say but rather a graphical representation of something like hyperspace from Star Wars. If all it was is a tunnel, why did they need subspace tracking in order to intercept the Lucifer?

[Snail]

I think that the tunnel moves, not the ship itself. Notice the Lucy's at 0m/s, it's not moving. The tunnel must be moving around it.

[Jeff Vader]

Or... gameplay issues? Maybe it took a wee bit to long to reach the Lucy when it was actually moving, so saw it acceptable to make it just float there; no one would notice easily, anyway. Not with those backgrounds. Because if you think about it, there might be a conflict. If a ship doesn't move but the tunnel does, then how can the fighters still move all around the tunnel? If only the tunnel moves, then basically you should just get a mission where the Lucy is far away and you're just floating there behind it, with the same "speed". Kind of hard to try and intercept it before the human race is doomed (once again).

I was just thinking about this from a player's point of view. I didn't say "It' a game". You can't ban me. If you do, well, I was going to go away, anyway. You can't stop me! I win! Roar! (Ah, is it medicine time already?)

[Snail]

Not very important anyway, since only 1 mission has been set in Subspace. But since FS2 is rarely very accurate in the fields of physics (in the sense that fighters are frighteningly slow), it doesn't really matter how fast stuff happens.

Anyway, I do not think that you can just "hang around" in Subspace, as Akalabeth.

[FreeSpaceFreak]

No. It's quite obvious that they left Capella. And they can't all get through the GDrax node at once, so what's left is the Supernode Theory.
Unless they committed mass suicide, but in that case they wouldn't have jumped when Capella detonated.

[Jeff Vader]

I still like the option that the Saths jumped to subspace and either
a)the supernova triggered something inside subspace and maybe created the infamous Portal to Happiness^TM
or
b)they just waited there and when the boom was over, jumped back into normal space.

Though I must admit that I'm not sure what good would come out of option b.

[Snail]

Option b is impossible because if they waited a few days, the nebula would be extremely hot and they'd all fry (Capellan Barbecue Theory). If they waited a few weeks, they would still fry.

[Akalabeth Angel]

Again, the ability to wait in subspace is supported where exactly in FS canon?

[WMCoolmon]

It doesn't have to be; anything past the destruction is pure speculation anyway, and the games cover very little of the possibilities of the technologies used by all the races. The realm that you get into when discussing Capella is a realm where imagination and variety are more important than sticking to the facts laid down by :V:.

[Jeff Vader]

Quite. The ultraturbo subspace portal isn't explained a lot in canon, either. There's just this "Maybe it is a portal that takes the Shivans back to their homes" part, and it is quite obvious that even Pertarch is really WTF after the Capella incident.

I tend to think, in a strictly non-canon way (there, now I said it), that traveling in subspace is kind of like driving a car. If you take proper roads, you can get from point A to point B in a fast and pleasant way. Of course, you can venture off from it as well, no one's stopping you. But we do know that driving around a forest with your regular car isn't that easy anymore. And this leads to the following: if the GTVA is only able to either use existing jump nodes or jump directly from one point to another within a system, who can tell what the Shivans might be able to do. It has been stated on some occasions even in canon material that the Shivans possess a much higher level understanding on subspace.

Let's state this again: the speculation above was purely non-canon, apart from the explicitly stated part.

[Snail]

The Shivans easily circumvented the Antares-Deneb blockade through use of an unknown Jump Node.

[Droid803]

Yes. using an unknown node, or a node too unstable to be used.
That doesn't change the fact they still need nodes. And I don't think there are nodes surrounding the capella star.

Also, note that some of the Juggernauts didn't jump when Capella went kaboom. Why didn't they? Maybe the Sathanas juggertautsdon't bake and can take the heat?

[Jeff Vader]

Also, note that some of the Juggernauts didn't jump when Capella went kaboom. Why didn't they? Maybe the Sathanas juggertautsdon't bake and can take the heat?

If you take a close look, you'll notice that the Saths that remain behind seem to go a bit dim. Maybe they ran out of power. Maybe some other catastrophical system failure. In any case, at least to me it seems pretty obvious that those particular Saths were pretty much unable to jump.

[Droid803]

Oh...so...the Saths died? 

[Akalabeth Angel]

Oh...so...the Saths died? 

   The ones that didnt jump died a horrible death, the ones that did presumably lived to kill another day.

It doesn't have to be; anything past the destruction is pure speculation anyway, and the games cover very little of the possibilities of the technologies used by all the races. The realm that you get into when discussing Capella is a realm where imagination and variety are more important than sticking to the facts laid down by :V:.

         I disagree. While a person can freely speculate on events beyond FS2, the destruction of Capella is still a canon event and every facet of the visuals and following monologue has a purpose within the universe. If a person wants to make a campaign for example that follows FS2 more strictly, then going crazy with all kinds of imaginative stuff is really counterproductive. Of course, if someone wants to be more liberal than that imagination is welcome.
         
        As of yet, I think I haven't played any campaigns that really have quite the same feel as FS2 or FS1 (and I include my own campaign in there as well). Which isn't to say there's anything wrong with that, they're lots of fun. But its hard to emulate the feel I think (voice-acting aside). And if someone wanted to, they'd have to stick to canon as much as possible.