[Clawandfang]

Well... why not? Is there a good reason why the Shivans didn't do this? I reckon this'll probably have already come up at some point, so can somebody direct me there?

[Mars]

Make a Sathanas ib FRED

Check the invulnerable flag

Done

[Jeff Vader]

Maybe shielding can be applied on ships below a certain size?

Maybe the Shivans left it out entirely, because the Sathanaseses would still have been vulnerable in subspace. This is, of course, assuming that the Saths were built after the destruction of the Lucifer, which in turn implies that the FS1 Shivans and the FS2 Shivans were closely related, and as a conclusion, this theory assumes a lot of things and can be countered easily.

[FUBAR-BDHR]

Maybe that particular Lucifer was a prototype with shields.  Since it was destroyed they scrapped the shielded cap idea.

[karajorma]

Beams go right through player shields and damage the hull without depleting them. One common explanation is that they'd go right through Lucifer shields too. Thus making them those shield pretty much useless against other capships. Balanced against the fact that the shield generators are a weakness in subspace it's probably not worth having them on a Sathanas.

[Snail]

IMO it would be because beam cannons would be able to pierce the shields. No canon evidence but still logical.


Otherwise, in my stupid theory I think that the Shivans in FS1 and the Shivans in FS2 were not in contact with each other for thousands of years, and the FS1 Shivans were the only ones who "invented" the cap shielding. No canon evidence for that either, but whatever.

[Clawandfang]

Make a Sathanas ib FRED

Check the invulnerable flag

Done

I was referring to the concept, "plot-wise."
I did think about the sizing issue with the Sath, but the "well they can just get us in subspace argument" holds no depth for me (unless the shields significantley hampered the Sath in other ways) because it would still be useful outside of subspace. Actually, having just written that I have had an interesting thought. Maybe the Shivans don't want the nodes collapsing, so don't want to encourage the GTVA to attack them in subspace. Hmm...

About the beams, how would the Shivans know the GTVA had them until they attacked once again? They didn't have them before, so the Shivans wouldn't have bothered preparing for them. By the time they found out, I can't imagine them having enough time to re-fit the entire fleet because of it.

[Snail]

About the beams, how would the Shivans know the GTVA had them until they attacked once again?

Computer simulations, I would guess. They would have enough data for that.

[Jeff Vader]

About the beams, how would the Shivans know the GTVA had them until they attacked once again?

Computer simulations, I would guess. They would have enough data for that.

Or just speculating. Surely the Shivans noticed during the Great War that especially the Terrans had this annoying habit of adapting to different situations and, more importantly, studying and reverse-engineering Shivan tehcnologies. It wouldn't be hard to guess that maybe they observed the Lucy's flux cannons and decided to study beam weapon technology.

[Hippo]

if the sathanas had Lucifer esque shields, it wouldnt be hurtable with non beam weapons, making bearbaiting quite unnescessary

[blowfish]

if the sathanas had Lucifer esque shields, it wouldnt be hurtable with non beam weapons, making bearbaiting quite unnescessary

Not so much unnecessary as useless and futile.  The Colossus would have bit it pretty quickly had those beams been operational.

[lenard27]

Also, I'd imagine it would take tremendous power to operate those shields because they have to cover the entire surface area of the ship and the Sath has a lot more area to cover than the Lucifer did.  And a Sath has 4 major beam cannons to the Lucifer's 2 so that requires even more power consumption.

[Polpolion]

1) Beams go through shields.
2) The Sath is a lot bigger than the Lucifer. It needs more power.
3) The Sath would need like 6 more reactors.
4) Reactors are a liability in Subspace (last mission of FS1).

[Krallis]

Maybe the technology of the shields was lost when the lucifer exploded andsince the wreckage is trapped in Sol there's not much chance of getting it back. This could be possible considering there wasn't more than one lucifer.

[achtung]

Maybe the technology of the shields was lost when the lucifer exploded andsince the wreckage is trapped in Sol there's not much chance of getting it back. This could be possible considering there wasn't more than one lucifer.

I think they would've designed the ship at some point, and I do believe they would have schematics stored somewhere. 

[Hellstryker]

I agree with snails theory 

[Droid803]

The Sathanas doesn't NEED shields.
Its got a Supercap flag. Meaning, nothing without BGreens or BFGreens (or LRBGreens) can hurt it below 75%. Well, they can. But it will take freaking ages.

[Mustang19]

Beams go right through player shields and damage the hull without depleting them. One common explanation is that they'd go right through Lucifer shields too. Thus making them those shield pretty much useless against other capships. Balanced against the fact that the shield generators are a weakness in subspace it's probably not worth having them on a Sathanas.

1) V has stated that the Ancients were only 20 years ahead of the FS1 Terrans/Vasudans in all areas except subspace technology. This might mean that the Ancients have beam tech.

2) In FS1 cutscenes, the Ancients seem to talk about the invincibility of the Lucifer even though they found out how to destroy it at the very end. In other words, they couldn't beam through those shields.

So perhaps the Lucifer's shields were invulnerable or very resistant to beam fire. We don't know. In terms of "what V intended", I just write it off as a plot hole that Volition didn't care for.

[Snail]

1) V has stated that the Ancients were only 20 years ahead of the FS1 Terrans/Vasudans in all areas except subspace technology. This might mean that the Ancients have beam tech.

My name's Mobius. And I think you're wrong. obviously wanted the Ancients to have 5000 SuperJuggernauts!!! LOLOLOLOL


Sorry. I want to know where and when that was said, because I still have an urge to settle an old discussion with Mobius.

[Mustang19]

Good question. There are a lot of unsourced V statements ("Shivans are a symptom of a bigger problem, etc.) floating around. I know that the "FS3 will have planet-size ships" thing came from a PXO chat with the developers, but that's it. A few people here have supposedly actually visited their offices in Champaign (sp, for the grammar inquisition), so who knows where it all came from.