[Davros]

(also assuming i get a conservative 45MPG on the hybrid,

*shocked*

hell no you'll be lucky if you get half that

[Hades]

 

[Stealth]

(also assuming i get a conservative 45MPG on the hybrid,

*shocked*

hell no you'll be lucky if you get half that

why's that?
i have friends that get a consistent 45MPG.  this is after driving a hybrid for a year :-/

[Roanoke]

I had to google the Corolla as I've never seen one. Toyota actually dropped the Corolla name in the UK last year:





Don't like it all, but I have nothing but disdain for most new cars.

I fancy this

http://www.avo.org.uk/images/gls.JPG

yay for classic cars! 

[IceFire]

I had to google the Corolla as I've never seen one. Toyota actually dropped the Corolla name in the UK last year:





Don't like it all, but I have nothing but disdain for most new cars.

I fancy this

http://www.avo.org.uk/images/gls.JPG

yay for classic cars! 

Top one is the Corolla.  Bottom one is the Corolla based Matrix...unique to North America.  I think most people regard them as being separate vehicles.  I do think we have different tastes.  That particular classic car does not do it for me at all.  Now if it were a classic Aston Martin...

The Mazda3 I still think is the nicest looking in the category but the Civic and Corolla have their charms as well.  If I were designing I car I'd probably combine aspects of all three.  Ultimately practicality has to weight out on top of everything else so long as the looks are livable.

[Roanoke]

I had to google the Corolla as I've never seen one. Toyota actually dropped the Corolla name in the UK last year:

http://www.autospectator.com/cars/files/images/09_Corolla_XRS_17.jpg

http://www.autospectator.com/cars/files/images/09_Matrix_XRS_08.jpg

Don't like it all, but I have nothing but disdain for most new cars.

I fancy this

http://www.avo.org.uk/images/gls.JPG

yay for classic cars! 

Top one is the Corolla.  Bottom one is the Corolla based Matrix...unique to North America.  I think most people regard them as being separate vehicles.  I do think we have different tastes.  That particular classic car does not do it for me at all.  Now if it were a classic Aston Martin...

The Mazda3 I still think is the nicest looking in the category but the Civic and Corolla have their charms as well.  If I were designing I car I'd probably combine aspects of all three.  Ultimately practicality has to weight out on top of everything else so long as the looks are livable.

Now you see buying a car for me is more of an emotive trip. I want something I really like as I don't really need a car. I just like the whole ownership appeal. Especially the classic car scene.

edit: like this http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d199/Chrismec/PIC_0108.jpg dumped on the deck, sprayed black, big rimz and a lovely 3.0 straight six motor. yum.

[IceFire]

I had to google the Corolla as I've never seen one. Toyota actually dropped the Corolla name in the UK last year:

http://www.autospectator.com/cars/files/images/09_Corolla_XRS_17.jpg

http://www.autospectator.com/cars/files/images/09_Matrix_XRS_08.jpg

Don't like it all, but I have nothing but disdain for most new cars.

I fancy this

http://www.avo.org.uk/images/gls.JPG

yay for classic cars! 

Top one is the Corolla.  Bottom one is the Corolla based Matrix...unique to North America.  I think most people regard them as being separate vehicles.  I do think we have different tastes.  That particular classic car does not do it for me at all.  Now if it were a classic Aston Martin...

The Mazda3 I still think is the nicest looking in the category but the Civic and Corolla have their charms as well.  If I were designing I car I'd probably combine aspects of all three.  Ultimately practicality has to weight out on top of everything else so long as the looks are livable.

Now you see buying a car for me is more of an emotive trip. I want something I really like as I don't really need a car. I just like the whole ownership appeal. Especially the classic car scene.

edit: like this http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d199/Chrismec/PIC_0108.jpg dumped on the deck, sprayed black, big rimz and a lovely 3.0 straight six motor. yum.

I hear you for sure

I was definitely interested in the emotive portion of the whole thing as well...and then I started ding test drives and found my options were actually quite limited for me physically because of long legs and a leg cramping issue.  So I am still in the ownership appeal but it has moderated somewhat by my experiences over the last year of trying to find the right one and balancing all of my considerations.

Some people love new cars (me )...some people love old cars...you..my uncle...I understand it but I can't go too much further.  Just don't like the old styling on most old cars.  There are a few we can definitely agree on I'm sure as even I like some old new cars.  I do appreciate them...old car shows do rock now and again

[Roanoke]

oh yeah. I usually update certain aspects of my "old" cars (such as wheels, brakes etc). Problem for me is modern cars are designed to be easily put together at the factory so they're a pig to work on. Plus they're just not designed to last anymore.

[Stealth]

yes but they have 5 year, 100,000 mile warranties.  and when they break, you take them to the dealership, and get a loaner till they're finished.

trust me, i'm a big fan of older cars.  my dad's got an 88 rolls royce, i've got a 1980 cadillac, and together we're getting ready to buy a 59 cadillac.

but at the same time, we all drive MODERN cars, because when it comes to reliability, there are very few old cars (15+ years) that are more reliable than a new car (5 years).  that's just the way machines work.  when they get old, they break :-

[Roanoke]

New cars also break.

[vyper]

Buy a BMW 520d. Better car, better consumption, less long term **** to **** up the planet.

[Stealth]

New cars also break.

i'm sorry, did you not read the FIRST LINE of the response right above yours!?

and vyper: no... i want MUCH better gas mileage.  as in, another 30MPG better than i'm getting

[vyper]

I meant as opposed to the Prius.

[Stealth]

yeah but the prius gets twice as good gas mileage than the 5 series BMW :-p

[Roanoke]

New cars also break.

i'm sorry, did you not read the FIRST LINE of the response right above yours!?

and vyper: no... i want MUCH better gas mileage.  as in, another 30MPG better than i'm getting

well that warranty is great when you're stuck on the roadside waiting for a tow truck 'cos you need a laptop just to find out why it won't start.....

Anyway, doesn't really matter as I'll never like new cars and I'll probably never talk you into buying a classic Opel/Vauxhall. 

[Stealth]

take it from me... i've owned old (read: 1959, 1980) cars, and i've owned new (2000, 2005, etc.) cars, and i prefer newer ones for RELIABILITY (only)

[IceFire]

oh yeah. I usually update certain aspects of my "old" cars (such as wheels, brakes etc). Problem for me is modern cars are designed to be easily put together at the factory so they're a pig to work on. Plus they're just not designed to last anymore.

Lots of stats apparently show otherwise...cars last longer now than ever before.  Its actually bad from some environmental standpoints (a number of articles have come out recently about that) because emissions control is so much better now than eve 5-10 years ago and its hard to get people to part with 10 year old cars that work perfectly fine.  But they do break more and more often as they get older...its inevitable.  Its just that the really old ones are easier to fix because, as you say, they were designed to be easy to put together in the factory but working on them is harder and there are more bits and pieces now.

[Stealth]

just wanted to throw in - i just bought a 2006 corvette, with 10,000 miles.

BEAUTIFUL car.  planning on trading it in for a C6 (2008) Z06.

AS IT IS - this car, with 100 shot nitrous, has beaten E-V-E-R-Y-T-H-I-N-G that i've come across.  from lancer evo Xs, wrx STIs, cobras, lotuses, etc. 
...and it's not even the z06 model! (of course 100 extra rwhp helps, but still...)

[IceFire]

I thought you were going for fuel efficiency?

[Stealth]

yeah i was - still am - this is just temporary

still looking at altima hybrids