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Offline achtung

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Fitna WAS on Live Leak.
on: March 27, 2008, 10:35:04 pm
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=7d9_1206624103 *DEAD*

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3369102968312745410 *works*


Be warned, it does contain some fairly graphic scenes.

Overall, it's not as harsh as I expected it to be.
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Re: Fitna is on Live Leak.
Reply #1 on: March 27, 2008, 10:45:33 pm
And Fitna is...
 

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Re: Fitna is on Live Leak.
Reply #2 on: March 27, 2008, 10:46:19 pm
The Wikipedia entries are funny.
 

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Re: Fitna is on Live Leak.
Reply #3 on: March 28, 2008, 02:50:21 am
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Re: Fitna is on Live Leak.
Reply #4 on: March 28, 2008, 07:22:29 pm
So, what was this? It seems Liveleak has pussied out and removed the video due to some threats or something.
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Re: Fitna is on Live Leak.
Reply #5 on: March 28, 2008, 07:53:34 pm
It was that film by that Dutch guy that criticized Islamist beliefs.
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Re: Fitna is on Live Leak.
Reply #6 on: March 28, 2008, 11:56:29 pm
Screw LiveLeak for bowing to threats. That just emboldens the assholes who want to censor free speech.

Weak, man. Weak.
 

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Re: Fitna is on Live Leak.
Reply #7 on: March 29, 2008, 08:37:46 pm
http://blog.wired.com/underwire/2008/03/dutch-film-fitn.html

How many more times will this **** happen?  How long are people going to continue bowing down?
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Re: Fitna is on Live Leak.
Reply #8 on: March 29, 2008, 09:19:51 pm
You would think that the murder of Theoh van Gogh by Islamists would have been a wake up call to the western world, but I guess we will need a few more assassinations before we get the message.  :rolleyes:

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Re: Fitna is on Live Leak.
Reply #9 on: March 29, 2008, 10:32:40 pm
What is the point of this film?

Everybody knows Bush hates the Muslims.
Fun while it lasted.

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Re: Fitna is on Live Leak.
Reply #10 on: March 29, 2008, 11:22:30 pm
What does Bush have to do with it? He's not even mentioned once. This was made by a politician in the Netherlands.

Overall, it's not particularly well made. The production values and presentation style are merely competent - it gets the point across. I can appreciate the effort, but it's nothing that hasn't been seen before. Anyone who's interested in getting a bit of a deeper analysis on the role of political Islam is Europe should look elsewhere.
 

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Re: Fitna is on Live Leak.
Reply #11 on: March 30, 2008, 12:02:16 am
Quote from: haloboy100 on March 29, 2008, 10:32:40 pm
What is the point of this film?

Everybody knows Bush hates the Muslims.


The point of this film has nothing to do with Bush, but rather to show the world what Islam has really become: a spiteful, hateful religion that wants to destroy all of the progress that has been made in the last century. Not all of them are like that, but a fairly large number of them are. All of these threats that have come about as a result of this film just reinforces the films message.
"The reason for this is that the original Fortran got so convoluted and extensive (10's of millions of lines of code) that no-one can actually figure out how it works, there's a massive project going on to decode the original Fortran and write a more modern system, but until then, the UK communication network is actually relying heavily on 35 year old Fortran that nobody understands." - Flipside

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Re: Fitna is on Live Leak.
Reply #12 on: March 30, 2008, 10:03:48 pm
I don't think it's what Islam has become, but rather what it always was and truly is. It's simply that Christianity and Judaism have modernized and liberalized to suit modern tastes, while Islam has not, so by comparison it seems archaic and rigid. If Christianity were true to its roots, it would look a lot more like the Muslim fundamentalists than it does now.
 

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Re: Fitna WAS on Live Leak.
Reply #13 on: March 30, 2008, 11:15:36 pm
WOOOOO HOLY CRUSADE KILL EM ALL IN THEN AME OF GOD WOOOO JESUS JEEE WOO


blah silly people with religion, there is no god accept it and move on.
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Re: Fitna WAS on Live Leak.
Reply #14 on: March 30, 2008, 11:21:04 pm
I have no problem with religion.

Churches suck, however, the moment a religion gets organised into some kind of hierarchy, all hell breaks loose (if you'll pardon the pun). You get 'church sanctioned' actions which can completely redefine the religion, till you get to the point where people believe things and they don't even know why. The Church becomes the religion, and that's where it all goes wrong.

 

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Re: Fitna WAS on Live Leak.
Reply #15 on: March 30, 2008, 11:44:24 pm
Things like "kill the homos" are present in the holy books of all three Abrahamic religions. It's not as if that were later perversion by the Church. And while there are certainly imams out there, giving out shady proclamations, most of the issues that Wilders and others have with Islam are to do with its fundamental precepts, not this or that interpretation. Like I said, Christianity would be a hell of a lot scarier and more offensive to the modern man if its original doctrines were obeyed.

Thankfully, mixing wool and cotton is no longer a stoneable crime. ;);)
 

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Reply #16 on: March 31, 2008, 12:09:22 am
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I don't think it's what Islam has become, but rather what it always was and truly is.


At one brief point it wasn't like this, but ultimately it devolved into what it is today.

A friend of mine asked me a few months ago if she should study spanish or arabic, I told her spanish because unless there are drastic reforms both socially and economically, arabic speaking countries don't have much of a future. Most of their people want to stay in the 7th century, and so the rest of us will move on into the 21st and leave them even farther behind.
"The reason for this is that the original Fortran got so convoluted and extensive (10's of millions of lines of code) that no-one can actually figure out how it works, there's a massive project going on to decode the original Fortran and write a more modern system, but until then, the UK communication network is actually relying heavily on 35 year old Fortran that nobody understands." - Flipside

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Re: Fitna WAS on Live Leak.
Reply #17 on: March 31, 2008, 12:14:38 am
The fear is that they'll drag us down with them
 

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Re: Fitna WAS on Live Leak.
Reply #18 on: March 31, 2008, 12:33:59 am
Quote from: Mars on March 31, 2008, 12:14:38 am
The fear is that they'll drag us down with them

If they try, then the UN will hopefully grow some balls.
 

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Reply #19 on: March 31, 2008, 01:17:46 am
and do what invade em? we should ivade USA and nuke it, not necci in that order :)
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