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This must have been what :v: intended, I'd say. The 'truss' is there on the texture. And IMHO the beams seem sturdy enough not to make the ship look flimsy :yes:

 

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This is a great idea! Need to see the whole ship with it, but looks promising.

 

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Not a grid tube within a grid tube. The neck is way thinner in this configuration. The original didn't have holes in the neck.

It's not thinner at all--you're looking at it from the side. From the top, the outer girder truss retains the original shape of the neck, while the inner tube has straighter edges.

Here's a render from a different angle.

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Export 3ds from Blender.  It won't have any textures, but it will import into SketchUp fine, despite what the naysayers may say.  Though Spectre, I do have an old version of the HTL Colossus (the original one ragingloli posted) with the model cleaned up slightly (probably still a mess) as SKP.  Are you interested?

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I would imagine the original didn't have holes in the neck because at the time the game was made, such detail would have jacked up the polys to levels computers of the day would have choked on any time the collie showed up.

Note a diffrence between grider "holes" (a.k.a. extrusions or intrusions...depends how you look at it) and a grider structure holding a inner neck. A lot of empty volume. Less structural integrity
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Who (besides you) cares? It doesn't matter as FS is a game.
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Structural Integrity in FreeSpace is determined by a field in it's ships.tbl entry and nothing else, except for special-hits in FRED.
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Structural Integrity in FreeSpace is determined by a field in it's ships.tbl entry and nothing else, except for special-hits in FRED.

He meant like in "REAL LIFE"
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Yeah, well, don't we just usually go by the 'rule of cool', and disregard "REAL LIFE" anyway?
And don't most current day space craft have exposed triangular girders with nothing in between?
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Do as you wish.
Altough my personal preference is to design warships like they are...you know.. actually built for war?
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Note a diffrence between grider "holes" (a.k.a. extrusions or intrusions...depends how you look at it) and a grider structure holding a inner neck. A lot of empty volume. Less structural integrity
Probably the girders were just leftovers from the construction stage which were left in. Also note that there aren't any "holes" at all in the first place. The girders may have been there to add structural integrity to the area, not as a skeleton or whatever.

 

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Girders can offer the same support as a solid wad of metal, almost, with a substantial reduction in mass. Just look at many pieces of heavy duty equipment that have to put up with a lot of abuse (Cranes, radio antennae, suspension bridges...)

 

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No, TrashMan is technically right in this case. The reason why girdered structures are used is because they weigh much less and can therefore better support their own weight as well as other load.

However, solid pipe IS stronger than a hollow tube of same material and diameter. So yes, a solid chunk of metal would be stronger than girder structure. But, in space the weight is nonexistant (as it depends on gravity, although inertial mass is still present and can cause some pretty interesting structural strength requirements if you want the ship to be capable of turning fast or being able to accelerate rapidly). In fact, structural strength in traditional engineering sense has little relevance to ships that spend their entire lives in space, like the Orions or Colossus.

 However, how are you going to pull that off? Weld enough girders together to form a solid hull? The amount of building materials increases drastically. Structurally it's not that much stronger, and even though you might get some better armour plating as a result, the maneuverability and acceleration of the ship decrease linearly as the mass increases.

A girder-like skeleton structure with internal hull makes sense, especially if you consider that more than likely Colossus was rushed into service when the Shivans made themselves a threat again. The timing of Colossus to enter service when it did always seemed a bit conspicuous to me, except if you assume that the GTVA chose to push it into service partially incomplete.

Explains the lacking turrets as well. :p
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There were some WWI/WWII era battleships with a lot of girders on the superstructure. Looked pretty decent to me.

 

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It looks very, very cool.

However, I'm concerned that the presence of that girder may affect gameplay too much. Couldn't a fighter just sit under the girder, shielded from fire? A big ship like this is bound to have some blind spots, but this would be far too obvious. Also, a small amount of weaponfire may go through what used to be solid hull.
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It looks very, very cool.

However, I'm concerned that the presence of that girder may affect gameplay too much. Couldn't a fighter just sit under the girder, shielded from fire? A big ship like this is bound to have some blind spots, but this would be far too obvious. Also, a small amount of weaponfire may go through what used to be solid hull.

Yeah, I was just thinking that. It's much like that one high-poly Sathanas with the rib-things underneath the back. Cool as it may look, it would play differently.

 

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That wouldn't matter as blobs and guns are useless against it. And what would be different between hiding in the Arcadia Ring/Orion fighterbay and hiding in the Colossus?
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The fact that the Colossus doesn't have places to hide in in retail, and that the fighter AI is too dumb to properly take out a fighter hiding in a place like that.

In other words, it would mess up existing missions.

 

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The only people who do things like that don't matter anyways.
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The fact that the Colossus doesn't have places to hide in in retail...
Actually you're pretty much safe flying between the gap where the engine block is.