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Offline General Battuta

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Everyone whining and crying about the girl jokes in here needs a lesson in internetz.

First session will answer the age-old question: "Should I Take Internetz Srsly?"

The idea of jokes that are 'not okay in mixed company' needs to die. That's a double standard.

How is it okay to make remarks about women behind their backs, then claim you're an upstanding equal-rights advocate because you don't make those remarks in mixed company? The first half of this thread was a series of PMS jokes implying that women can't hold positions of responsibility, which were all well and good until it turned out one of the readers was female (and someone who has to put up with incredible gender discrimination in the field of physics, I might add.)

How do you have any right to decide what will offend her when you have never once had to deal with that kind of disrespect? Female physicists produce high-quality research at a greater rate than males, because they know they have to work hard to prove themselves. But they still get ignored and undersupported.

Let me quote from Cosmic Variance:

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The jaw-dropping aspect...is that the awarding of conference presentations was grossly gender biased (as was the fraction of service work assigned to the women). The female postdocs had drastically higher levels of productivity (indeed, half the men were less productive than the least productive woman), but were allocated far fewer conference presentations than men with comparable productivity.

A woman going into physics has to deal with this stuff on a daily basis. Do you think that running into it on a recreational site on the Internet, of all places, is going to make that easier?

The Internet has no more right to be a haven for misogyny, even joking misogyny, than any other public forum, because even joking misogyny perpetuates those problems.

That said, I think this thread is back on track and I don't want to derail it, so that's the last I'll say on the topic.

Mars, I wasn't particularly offended by anything you said.
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Offline Zoltan

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Being the most liberal senator in the US is like being the coolest person in the chess club. Even as a hyperbole, the word "communist" implies extremism, which is a hard case to make when even a liberal senator has to back off from marijuana decriminalization.

Yes, and being a conservative in the Senate is like being Sasquatch; people claim that you exist, but they're probably on drugs.

I am not saying that he is necessarily an extremist (that is an irrelevant connotation), but his social and economic policies would fit quite nicely with communist philosophies. Some examples are:
  • Strongly supports social welfare
  • Opposes educational vouchers
  • Introduced a bill that would allow shareholders to determine the salary of a company's CEO
  • Supports universal health care
  • Tax plans that resemble lyrics from a song I know, "tax the rich to feed the poor till there are no rich no more"
  • And if you want extremism, he is quite adamant in taking away constitutional rights in the form of gun control
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Offline Mars

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He supports taking away semi-automatics only.

He's not saying that people should be handing in their hunting shotguns and rifles, or their revolvers for that matter.

 

Offline Zoltan

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He supports taking away semi-automatics only.

He's not saying that people should be handing in their hunting shotguns and rifles, or their revolvers for that matter.

He has also supported a ban on the manufacture, sale, and possession of handguns. Most importantly though, the Second Amendment has nothing to do with hunting...
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Offline Mars

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Right up until I had one sticking in my face, I agreed average people should have access to firearms.

A little more regulation would be a very good thing.

 

Offline Zoltan

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Right up until I had one sticking in my face, I agreed average people should have access to firearms.

A little more regulation would be a very good thing.

There I disagree. The people that will abide by the regulation are not the people that would "stick one in your face." The criminals (as in law breakers) don't much care for laws.
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Being the most liberal senator in the US is like being the coolest person in the chess club. Even as a hyperbole, the word "communist" implies extremism, which is a hard case to make when even a liberal senator has to back off from marijuana decriminalization.

Yes, and being a conservative in the Senate is like being Sasquatch; people claim that you exist, but they're probably on drugs.

I am not saying that he is necessarily an extremist (that is an irrelevant connotation), but his social and economic policies would fit quite nicely with communist philosophies. Some examples are:
  • Strongly supports social welfare
  • Opposes educational vouchers
  • Introduced a bill that would allow shareholders to determine the salary of a company's CEO
  • Supports universal health care
  • Tax plans that resemble lyrics from a song I know, "tax the rich to feed the poor till there are no rich no more"
  • And if you want extremism, he is quite adamant in taking away constitutional rights in the form of gun control
List those ideas to a European social democrat and they'll blink and say, "And...?" You can't even see communism from where Obama is standing on the political map.
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Offline Mars

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But their guns come from somewhere.

I'm not sure where to find stats on this sort of thing so check me:

I think that most guns used in crimes in the US were registered to someone before the fact, but were used by someone else for criminal purposes.

I think most guns used in crimes were not smuggled across the border but rather legally shipped or manufactured and legally sold.

Once again, I can't check this, I have no idea where to go. I'm not trying to build a strawman.

 

Offline General Battuta

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Aren't guns used in more suicides than murders? I believe I've seen statistics to that effect.

Just thought that was interesting.

 

Offline Zoltan

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List those ideas to a European social democrat and they'll blink and say, "And...?" You can't even see communism from where Obama is standing on the political map.

This is one of my pet peeves; comparing politics between countries is a bit like comparing elephants and battleships, they're both relatively big and gray, but so what? And since the Europeans are allowed to say the reverse, I'll say that I'm mighty glad that I'm not European...

@Mars
Most weapons related to crimes are obtained illegally by the criminal in question; whether they were obtained legally by a previous "owner" is a different question.

Edit because I feel like it:
Here is some food for thought for people that think that guns are responsible for violence and thus need to be controlled: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_violence_in_the_United_States_by_state

I know, not the most accurate source ever, but it's good enough for this purpose. The states with low homicide rates have rates that are comparable to countries that have banned firearms. Take particular notice of the demographics of the states with high homicide rates, and notice that the demographics in these states are nothing like those in the aforementioned countries. Just something for consideration...
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Offline Mars

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[quote author=Zoltan link=topic=53472.msg1081326#msg1081326
@Mars
Most weapons related to crimes are obtained illegally by the criminal in question; whether they were obtained legally by a previous "owner" is a different question.
[/quote]

That was the question I was attempting to ask.

Although the statistics do show that people with permits rarely commit gun crimes.

 

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Of the three canidates that have a chance of winning Obama is probably the most liberal.

And thats why I don't like him (among other things). There's such a thing as too much of the "good" stuff - too much liberty = not good in the long run.

And the reason I'm suspicious about Obama is how he came out of nowhere, out of the shadows, with no real history behind him, and suddenly got all that $$$ for his campaign. Sounds to me like he's someones puppet on a string...you can't get that amount of $$$ without doing some serious a** kissing and promises.
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The illuminati?
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This is one of my pet peeves; comparing politics between countries is a bit like comparing elephants and battleships, they're both relatively big and gray, but so what? And since the Europeans are allowed to say the reverse, I'll say that I'm mighty glad that I'm not European...
Fine-- I'm not going to open up that debate-- but it was you who compared Obama to a party that is virtually nonexistent in this country, and in that context I thought it relevant to demonstrate how relatively conservative the American conception of liberalism actually is.
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Wait, Obama wants a ban on semi-autos?

He's lost my vote.
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Offline Zoltan

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Fine-- I'm not going to open up that debate-- but it was you who compared Obama to a party that is virtually nonexistent in this country, and in that context I thought it relevant to demonstrate how relatively conservative the American conception of liberalism actually is.

I was not comparing Obama to the Communist Party in any way, shape, or form beyond the fact that the Communist Party supports the ideals of communism. Admittedly the number of registered Communists in the United States are somewhat low, but given the attitude towards communists in the recent past, I would wager that there are many more that just don't bear the title. The American concept of liberalism is indeed quite conservative in regards to some issues relative to other countries, but in terms of some other issues they are in fact more liberal, all of which leads to comparisons being both somewhat moot and futile.   
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Being the most liberal senator in the US is like being the coolest person in the chess club. Even as a hyperbole, the word "communist" implies extremism, which is a hard case to make when even a liberal senator has to back off from marijuana decriminalization.

Yes, and being a conservative in the Senate is like being Sasquatch; people claim that you exist, but they're probably on drugs.

I am not saying that he is necessarily an extremist (that is an irrelevant connotation), but his social and economic policies would fit quite nicely with communist philosophies. Some examples are:
  • Strongly supports social welfare
  • Opposes educational vouchers
  • Introduced a bill that would allow shareholders to determine the salary of a company's CEO
  • Supports universal health care
  • Tax plans that resemble lyrics from a song I know, "tax the rich to feed the poor till there are no rich no more"
  • And if you want extremism, he is quite adamant in taking away constitutional rights in the form of gun control

if you think those values somehow indicate communism, you are ****ing insane and should stop posting

lol wtf

 

Offline Zoltan

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if you think those values somehow indicate communism, you are ****ing insane and should stop posting



Those were merely some examples, and I must say, if that is the most intelligent comment that you can come up with you should definitely stop breathing. If however you have something better to add, feel free to post it; I wouldn't mind having a discussion (or even a debate), but if you want to troll, just crawl back under your bridge. :rolleyes:
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I would normally add something intelligent to this thread, but reading the last 3 pages I now feel mentally retarded.
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too much liberty = not good in the long run.

« Last Edit: April 25, 2008, 01:54:09 pm by Turambar »
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