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Offline Polpolion

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Re: Woman fired for giving Timbit (donut hole) to baby
Your fault. (I mean Americans in general)

The actions of a few individuals does not reflect the behaviors of that of an entire nation (especially one that has a population exceeding 300 million), and you would be quite stupid to believe it did.
I'm saying that it's your fault for ****ing up your country, who else's would it be?

And yes, Americans are great people.

Oh I get it: steryotyping! Because every single person in America must have the same opinions of society and public policy!

 

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Re: Woman fired for giving Timbit (donut hole) to baby
Your fault. (I mean Americans in general)

The actions of a few individuals does not reflect the behaviors of that of an entire nation (especially one that has a population exceeding 300 million), and you would be quite stupid to believe it did.
I'm saying that it's your fault for ****ing up your country, who else's would it be?

And yes, Americans are great people.

Oh I get it: steryotyping! Because every single person in America must have the same opinions of society and public policy!

Funny thing about America:  It's so big that almost anything could be said about it and the former is most likely equally as true.
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Re: Woman fired for giving Timbit (donut hole) to baby
I'd say it's an attitude that is spreading to be honest, not just limited to the US. Corporations in general are becoming greedier and more draconian, and the governments are too deeply in their pockets to do anything effective about them.

Look at lobbying, one of the most downright insane political concepts I've ever seen in my life.. 'I give you treats, you give us the law we want.'. I'm pretty sure that no countries founders really intended for their great dream of a new land to end up with its morals being sold to the highest bidder.

 

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Re: Woman fired for giving Timbit (donut hole) to baby
It's not stereotyping if Bush needed a majority vote to get in. In other words, the majority of Americans were stupid in that case. Christ, what's on your back?
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Re: Woman fired for giving Timbit (donut hole) to baby
Christ, what's on your back?
Did you just insult a mega mod™?
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Re: Woman fired for giving Timbit (donut hole) to baby
No, I didn't insult anyone. What I did was asked sizzler what his problem was.
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Re: Woman fired for giving Timbit (donut hole) to baby
It's not stereotyping if Bush needed a majority vote to get in. In other words, the majority of Americans were stupid in that case. Christ, what's on your back?

Tell that to the ~45% of the US population who didn't vote for him, the ~70% of the US population that doesn't approve of him, and all of the minors that can't vote.

In case you didn't know, 45% of 300 million is quite large, and you're making a huge over-generalization based on somewhat inaccurate facts here.

And a majority vote is not necessary for a person to be elected president. In the popular vote, which is what you seem to be hinting at, as opposed to electoral collage, at least.


And holy ****, shut up about "not insulting anyone". Of course you're insulting people. You're insulting me, for one, and in addition to that, the entire populace of America. I won't say that America is perfect, because it is most definitly not, but that doesn't give you the right to go shouting at everyone who's American like you are.
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Re: Woman fired for giving Timbit (donut hole) to baby
It may be a stupid country... but it's our stupid country... kind of...

 

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Re: Woman fired for giving Timbit (donut hole) to baby
To say that a Democracy "belongs" to anyone is really quite incorrect. America belongs to its people as much as a train belongs to its passangers.

 

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Re: Woman fired for giving Timbit (donut hole) to baby
It's not stereotyping if Bush needed a majority vote to get in. In other words, the majority of Americans were stupid in that case. Christ, what's on your back?

Turnout: not total.

Was actually a majority of those who did show up: questionable.

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Re: Woman fired for giving Timbit (donut hole) to baby
Let's examine this here. A group of people elect someone to represent them, but get pissed off when they get called on the **** that representative does? Yeah, that makes a whole bunch of sense.

You can try to play it down by saying there was voting fraud or there's still a good number of people that voted for other people, but the fact remains that the people in charge were legally elected to represent the people of the United States. So don't go acting all hurt when you catch some flak. Were it an authoritarian regime or dictatorship? Not your problem, you're not to blame. But it's a democracy, or close enough at any rate. The actions of leaders in a democracy follow the dictates of the people, that's why it's a democracy. Therefore, that makes the people as much responsible as the men in charge.

 

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Re: Woman fired for giving Timbit (donut hole) to baby
You can try to play it down by saying there was voting fraud or there's still a good number of people that voted for other people, but the fact remains that the people in charge were legally elected to represent the people of the United States.

Actually, that's kind of debateable after all the recounts were in from Florida, y'know.
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Re: Woman fired for giving Timbit (donut hole) to baby
http://www.thestar.com/article/422864

She has been rehired, but still pretty retarded.

she gave food away, when she knew she wasn't allowed to.

what's retarded about it?  - the AMOUNT of food she gave away?

it doesn't matter if you steal a car, or steal 100 cars, you're STILL STEALING.

 

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Re: Woman fired for giving Timbit (donut hole) to baby
Let's examine this here. A group of people elect someone to represent them, but get pissed off when they get called on the **** that representative does? Yeah, that makes a whole bunch of sense.

You can try to play it down by saying there was voting fraud or there's still a good number of people that voted for other people, but the fact remains that the people in charge were legally elected to represent the people of the United States. So don't go acting all hurt when you catch some flak. Were it an authoritarian regime or dictatorship? Not your problem, you're not to blame. But it's a democracy, or close enough at any rate. The actions of leaders in a democracy follow the dictates of the people, that's why it's a democracy. Therefore, that makes the people as much responsible as the men in charge.

Let's look at it this way now: As a minor, I have no rights guaranteed to me by the Bill of Rights, and I can't vote. Since I'm not a rich lobbyist either, I have no say in our government whatsoever. Is it my problem?

Now, let's say that a person doesn't like the way a government is being run. Is there anything he can do about it? No. Now let's say there's 120 million people who agree with him. Can they do anything about it? Not really. Let's say that 70% of the people in the country disapprove of a president. Still nothing being done. Let's say that only ~20% of the eligible population voted in the primaries. Are you going to blame the 80% of the people who didn't vote, who didn't have a say in their government? You can't say "oh, they could've voted, blame them" because the fact is they didn't vote and nothing will change that. You can't blame anyone in this situation because 1) "Abstaining" is a legitimate vote, which is what they essentially did. 2) Blaming accomplishes nothing. 3) Even if they did vote, it's not a guarantee that the results wouldn't have been different, or for that matter better. Too many unknowns.

On top of that, nothing is ever unanimous in America. A one percent difference in the population is over one million people, for christ's sake, you can't blame an entire nation including the million people who had the right idea for the problem.

Blaming people only makes the problem worse in 90% of the cases.

 

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Re: Woman fired for giving Timbit (donut hole) to baby
she gave food away, when she knew she wasn't allowed to.

what's retarded about it?  - the AMOUNT of food she gave away?

it doesn't matter if you steal a car, or steal 100 cars, you're STILL STEALING.
Steal a car?
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Lilliman, who has worked at the store for three years, said she thought little of the incident since Timbits are often doled out to dogs and children.
The reaction was ridiculously out of proportion in this case.

 

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Re: Woman fired for giving Timbit (donut hole) to baby
Let's say that 70% of the people in the country disapprove of a president. Still nothing being done. Let's say that only ~20% of the eligible population voted in the primaries. Are you going to blame the 80% of the people who didn't vote, who didn't have a say in their government?

**** yes I'm going to blame them.

Ever heard the phrase "The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil, is for good men to do nothing"?

It appears however that you wish to say that people shouldn't be blamed for doing nothing even though in your own example 50% of the country did **** all to prevent a president they disapprove of from getting power. Even though all that was required was for them to get up off their fat arses and vote.

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You can't say "oh, they could've voted, blame them" because the fact is they didn't vote and nothing will change that.

**** yes I can. Are you seriously trying to claim that no one should ever be held responsible for actions they failed to take? Even when warned that they should do something?

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You can't blame anyone in this situation because 1) "Abstaining" is a legitimate vote, which is what they essentially did.

So? It's legal, yes. But no one is claiming that the American public acted illegally. The point being made is that by their action or inaction the electorate of the US acted stupidly in electing GW Bush.

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2) Blaming accomplishes nothing.


Not if it results in the idiots who abstained and then complained about the results actually getting off their fat arses and voting next time.

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3) Even if they did vote, it's not a guarantee that the results wouldn't have been different, or for that matter better. Too many unknowns.

Which isn't actually much of a point at all. Either they wouldn't have voted for Bush or they would have. If they had your country would have been viewed as even more stupid than it currently is. If they hadn't then the world would have thought "Maybe those American aren't quite as idiotic as we thought" But instead they did nothing. And in this case doing nothing was stupid.
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Re: Woman fired for giving Timbit (donut hole) to baby
http://www.thestar.com/article/422864

She has been rehired, but still pretty retarded.
No, they (are allowed by Tim Hortons Inc.) give these things to dogs.

she gave food away, when she knew she wasn't allowed to.

what's retarded about it?  - the AMOUNT of food she gave away?

it doesn't matter if you steal a car, or steal 100 cars, you're STILL STEALING.
No, they (are allowed by Tim Hortons Inc.) give these things to dogs.

And Christ, the intention was not to insult anyone, sorry if it did.
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Offline Polpolion

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Re: Woman fired for giving Timbit (donut hole) to baby
Let's say that 70% of the people in the country disapprove of a president. Still nothing being done. Let's say that only ~20% of the eligible population voted in the primaries. Are you going to blame the 80% of the people who didn't vote, who didn't have a say in their government?

**** yes I'm going to blame them.

Ever heard the phrase "The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil, is for good men to do nothing"?

It appears however that you wish to say that people shouldn't be blamed for doing nothing even though in your own example 50% of the country did **** all to prevent a president they disapprove of from getting power. Even though all that was required was for them to get up off their fat arses and vote.

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You can't say "oh, they could've voted, blame them" because the fact is they didn't vote and nothing will change that.

**** yes I can. Are you seriously trying to claim that no one should ever be held responsible for actions they failed to take? Even when warned that they should do something?

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You can't blame anyone in this situation because 1) "Abstaining" is a legitimate vote, which is what they essentially did.

So? It's legal, yes. But no one is claiming that the American public acted illegally. The point being made is that by their action or inaction the electorate of the US acted stupidly in electing GW Bush.

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2) Blaming accomplishes nothing.


Not if it results in the idiots who abstained and then complained about the results actually getting off their fat arses and voting next time.

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3) Even if they did vote, it's not a guarantee that the results wouldn't have been different, or for that matter better. Too many unknowns.

Which isn't actually much of a point at all. Either they wouldn't have voted for Bush or they would have. If they had your country would have been viewed as even more stupid than it currently is. If they hadn't then the world would have thought "Maybe those American aren't quite as idiotic as we thought" But instead they did nothing. And in this case doing nothing was stupid.

Most are understandable and somewhat logical responses, so I'll just elaborate on some previously unspoken thoughts:

First off, voting people voting specific leaders into office isn't the primary cause of America's ill situation. Once elected to office, politicians don't have to keep to what they campaigned for. In fact, given their relatively invisible individual work within the chambers, senators and representatives are pretty much forgotten about weeks after election. The fact is no one really knows specifics about the behaviors of the senators and reps. unless they watch C-SPAN or some show like that, and I doubt that even some of the smartest people watch that channel regularly.

Right now the extreme majority of politicians in the US are either very right handed or very left handed (referring to the political spectrum), however, most voters are themselves moderate. This is where the main friction is created between government and population, which I'll explain why: You can vote for your leaders in the US. Strictly on the federal level, you got representatives, senators, and the president. Unfortunately, as stated earlier, most politicians do not share most of the same opinions as the voters.

On top of all of this, there is the things unaccounted for during elections - lobbyists. Sure, we can get a bit of a taste of how some people will act during debates and similar events, but that still doesn't purely correlate to what they will do once elected as a rep/senator/president.

In short:
1) Once elected to office, politicians aren't obligated to any promises they made while campaigning.
2) There really is a shortage of good politicians/leaders, at least in recent years.
3) Moderate candidates (and thus ones that more accurately represent the citizens) for office are more often than not independent, and only take away votes from similar candidates that are in one of the two major parties.
4) Lobbyists and other contributions to candidates in return for a chunk of public policy skew the otherwise good intentions of many congressmen.

 

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Re: Woman fired for giving Timbit (donut hole) to baby
While I agree with some of your points I wasn't talking about congressmen and senators but about the (re)election of Bush. You can not claim that Bush was an unknown quantity in 2004. You can't claim that the people who voted for him couldn't have known his position on the major talking points. Yet still 55m Americans voted for him.

What makes this even funnier is their constant claim "Well Kerry wasn't any better" as if the fact they know that their candidate was a stupid wanker makes it any smarter to vote for him instead of another candidate they feel was equally bad.
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Re: Woman fired for giving Timbit (donut hole) to baby
Most people I know during the Bush / Kerry election decided to stick with the devil they knew, rather than vote for Kerry, who very possibly would have been worse.

And I notice you brits don't have the best taste in leaders either, they tend to blindly follow ours.