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Well, this is the human race, after all. :rolleyes:
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Quote: Tuesday, 3 October 2023 0133 UTC +8, #general
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Offline jdjtcagle

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The secret of tolerance:  Alot of people can get under our skin sometimes and it's all natural.  But along the lines of what Herra Tohtori posted tolerance can be achieved.  The secret is sort of a revelation - we are no better than anybody else in this world.  Hard to believe but we aren't.  The differences I honestly believe lie in the decisions we make as individuals.

Once we truly see/feel that we are no better are attitude changes towards everybody.  Of course real life can blind us from time to time and this is easier to say when our stress levels are down.  :p

But I honestly believe it can be done.
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I prefer to think of a more arrogant solution. We are better than everybody else, therefore it's not their fault they're not as tolerant as we are. :p
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the most we can do is be fair and not try to pretend were not all a bunch of racist ****s. we just programmed our brains to ignore that impulse. some do this better than others, some don't even try. anyone who says their not racist is probably more racist, just because they ignore the fact that its a hard-wired impulse. why do you think hippies come up with so many reverse racism policies?
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One thing that I am intolerant of:

Swantz has been giving us lots of mirrors and even put up a new website to replace Hades Combine. And all you have to say about 'im is that he goes around whining? Tolerance my ass.

 

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welcome to reality, the reality is most people are asshats. good people submit and become 2nd class asshats, its the only way they can survive. the other option is being a bum :D
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An example of tolerance: not banning someone for their impossibly huge signature.
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can someone get banned for resurrecting a bunch of old topics all at once?
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One can only hope.  :blah:

 

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i like your siggy by the way, very informative :D
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Offline WMCoolmon

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The secret of tolerance:  Alot of people can get under our skin sometimes and it's all natural.  But along the lines of what Herra Tohtori posted tolerance can be achieved.  The secret is sort of a revelation - we are no better than anybody else in this world.  Hard to believe but we aren't.  The differences I honestly believe lie in the decisions we make as individuals.

Once we truly see/feel that we are no better are attitude changes towards everybody.  Of course real life can blind us from time to time and this is easier to say when our stress levels are down.  :p

But I honestly believe it can be done.

I don't think that's true at all. Tell anyone to emulate any one of a dozen famous people who have revolutionized the course of history and they'll probably say it's not a bad idea, although they might disagree with you on the exact way you might go about doing that. Tell anyone to emulate any one of a dozen famous serial rapists or child molestors and I doubt you'll get anywhere near as positive of an answer.

So I don't think tolerance is 'everybody is OK'. There are people who are intolerant of other people who have to be...well, I don't know what the word to use is, but you get the picture. You cannot be tolerant of everybody because sometimes people's wants and even needs conflict. Sometimes two people have a deep-rooted interest in something, neither can be satisfied without dissatisfying the other, and no compromise is possible. Sometimes somebody is simply intolerant of others and the only way to solve that problem is to make them stop being intolerant of others by being intolerant to them.

And it's that particular factor that trips people up all the time. People will assume that their experiences are valid, and that the things that do things for them will do the same thing for others, and that the things that other people want are similar to the same things that they want. People assume that they're more enlightened than somebody else at the same time that their target is thinking the same thing about them.

Doesn't mean that everybody's answer is as valid as everybody else's, or that everybody is write or wrong. It's none of the above and it's much more complex than any of these ideals would have you believe. Somebody can be known for being utterly intolerant, but cause a backlash of tolerance as other people react to that intolerance. Yet that first person may not even be more intolerant than many other people that nobody cares about. Yet it's the way that they're intolerant, and the fact that other people (in their intolerance) label them as intolerant that causes such a wave of goodwill and positive effects.

That's probably as confusing as hell. :p

I don't have the historical context to make this as support to that statement, but I'll put it forward as what I suspect is a real-life example: Malcolm X. Pretty damn controversial figure. Yet at the same time, he helped to highly publicize racial inequalities and I would guess that, as a consequence of his speeches, more was done to achieve racial equality than if there had just been a general apathy in place of the polarization from his speeches. People, in general, react more to an obvious problem than to a quiet problem. By causing so much controversy and getting himself labeled a "menace to society" he made racial inequality a big problem.

But of course if people were tolerant to that kind of behavior, it wouldn't be a big deal.

So...I believe that tolerance is a good thing, but also that sometimes intolerance is more tolerant than tolerance, and that true wisdom is knowing when to be tolerant and intolerant (among other things).
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So...I believe that tolerance is a good thing, but also that sometimes intolerance is more tolerant than tolerance, and that true wisdom is knowing when to be tolerant and intolerant (among other things).
* Androgeos Exeunt reads the above text 13 times.

Intolerance is easy to achieve and difficult to let go, hence it is more tolerant. And yes, I think I agree with you on that last sentence. You can never have too much of a good thing.
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Quote: Tuesday, 3 October 2023 0133 UTC +8, #general
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tolerance is really just choosing to be fair even though your instincts or even your thoughts say otherwise. im for tolerance but im against things like reverse racism/sexism/whateverism.

i do find that alot of minorities use racism as an excuse for ill behavior. i once spotted a group of alaskan natives who were *****ing because they got tossed out of a bar. they were obviously hosed since i could smell the booze off of em from 10 feet away. from their comments i could tell that them most likely had too much to drink and were asked to leave. now ive been kicked out of bars myself for blatant asshattery. when i got kicked out of the bar it was because i had too much to drink and was starting to become an annoyance. but when these natives got kicked out of the bar, it was because of white people.

now using that as an example, say some reverse racism policy says, if youre white and you have x amount of drinks and make y amount of noise you have to leave the bar. but if you're a native you can have x*2 number of drinks and make y*2 amount of noise, to compensate for any subconscious preference towards white people by the owner of the bar.

what such a policy has done is:
accused an innocent person of being racist
been racist in its own design
assumes that being white is somehow intrinsically better than being some other race
and that being a minority is bad and should get special treatment to make things fair

now in america and probably alot of other places in the world, its better to be a minority than it is to be white, just because of the number of these polices currently in law. and whenever a white person objects they are immediately thought of as a racist. i think this sort of thing just makes the problem worse, not better.
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Offline Polpolion

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tolerance is really just choosing to be fair even though your instincts or even your thoughts say otherwise. im for tolerance but im against things like reverse racism/sexism/whateverism.

i do find that alot of minorities use racism as an excuse for ill behavior. i once spotted a group of alaskan natives who were *****ing because they got tossed out of a bar. they were obviously hosed since i could smell the booze off of em from 10 feet away. from their comments i could tell that them most likely had too much to drink and were asked to leave. now ive been kicked out of bars myself for blatant asshattery. when i got kicked out of the bar it was because i had too much to drink and was starting to become an annoyance. but when these natives got kicked out of the bar, it was because of white people.

now using that as an example, say some reverse racism policy says, if youre white and you have x amount of drinks and make y amount of noise you have to leave the bar. but if you're a native you can have x*2 number of drinks and make y*2 amount of noise, to compensate for any subconscious preference towards white people by the owner of the bar.

what such a policy has done is:
accused an innocent person of being racist
been racist in its own design
assumes that being white is somehow intrinsically better than being some other race
and that being a minority is bad and should get special treatment to make things fair

now in america and probably alot of other places in the world, its better to be a minority than it is to be white, just because of the number of these polices currently in law. and whenever a white person objects they are immediately thought of as a racist. i think this sort of thing just makes the problem worse, not better.


I've had roughly the same belief since like 6th grade. :yes:

On top of that, I'm always appalled when I hear people say "how cun i be racist to mah own race?". It's almost like they fail to grasp what racism actually is...

 

Offline Mura

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Agreed with both posts above this.... here in México that problem almost doesn't exist... we treat everyone the same, who cares if your skin is a different color, i'll insult you the same as to anyone else XD

But seriously, there is still lot of political, religious, and race discrimination, specially in the poorer areas.
We usually don't have special treatment for minorities, i suppose that's for not having the same heavy history about slavery and exploit of the less fortunate... except for natives, those seriously got the short end of the stick over here.

I think tolerance ends where my rights are getting violated... and i lost track of what else i was going to say  :D
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intolerance is kicking your ass and refusing to hire you for your beliefs

thinking you are an idiot for your beliefs is COMPLETEY different

learn the difference

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Well, that's the rub, isn't it? If you think someone is an idiot for their beliefs, and you don't plan on hiring idiots, doesn't it follow that you don't hire that person because of their beliefs?
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