[Androgeos Exeunt]

In order to be tolerant, you have to realise the possibility for intolerance.

It's like the UK government going, 'You see those people? See how their skins are different colours, and they have different cultures and religions? See how they dress differently and talk differently? If you so much as notice this, we will land on you like a ton of bricks, so we want you to be very aware of who is different, so that you don't point out that they are different.'

I concur. Once you know the flipside (pun entirely intended at no offence) of tolerance, you'll know how to be tolerant.

[Nuke]

society is the cancer thats killing our society, thats why i think we should kill society before it kills us all, go on, start launching missiles

i dont think tolerance is something you should force on people, if they're not being tolerant of their on volition then its not ****ing tolerance. people should be good people because they want to be, not because they have to be.

[NGTM-1R]

Racism ends when we meet the Vasudans. Then we can be speciesist.

[tinfoil]

people need somthing to complain about or someone to blame. simple as that.

[Nuke]

i say we blame all the worlds problems on tinfioil. can someone second the motion?

[Polpolion]

i say we blame all the worlds problems on tinfioil. can someone second the motion?

second.

[tinfoil]

ok i just posted. nuke where is it?

[Nuclear1]

You guys might feel like your just a bunch of puppets controlled by internal (genes, morality, ect.) and external ("outside") influences.  No free will just controlled in every aspect of your life.  It's different, you decide when to take control.  Yes it's your brain tell it what to act on.  We inherently are evil but we don't have to just give in and accepted that.

It may be easy for someone who was raised to think this way to do so, to be colorblind and tolerant of others.  For others who were raised to think otherwise, it's no so simple.  I, for example, was raised to hate any form of liberalism (in fact, I actually used the "L word" as an insult on many occasions).  I was essentially raised on Rush Limbaugh, Fox News, and extremely conservative Christian beliefs.  My girlfriend, my sister, and my dad all make Ronald Reagan look like a moderate.  Even though I've become much more centrist and open, I still can't bring myself to say I have liberal beliefs. 

It's not as easy as it seems to simply change the views you've had since you were a child.  It's almost impossible in some cases.

fortunately "your own kind" is not something wired into the lower level, how you figure it out is sure, but if you grow up in an environment were there is no notice payed to race then you will not notice it.

100% agree with you here...

anyway, "tolerance" is the cancer that is destroying western civilization.

...but don't at all agree with you here.  Having tolerance forced on people is destroying our society, not tolerance itself.  When civil rights leaders can get unnecessarily outraged at "nappy heady hoes" and be taken seriously, or when legitimate criticism of a group of people is labeled as racism, we have a problem.

Political correctness will honestly be the death of western civilization.

ok i just posted. nuke where is it?

If there were a Bash.org for forums, this would go there.

[jdjtcagle]

It may be easy for someone who was raised to think this way to do so, to be colorblind and tolerant of others.

For the record I was not raised to view that way.

I do agree, there are certainly factors of influence in decision making.  We base our reality on our experiences.

But I believe in the power of choice and that such a thing exist and is not a illusion.

[Warp Shadow]

GET BACK IN YOUR CAGE!!!

Oh sorry, for a second there I thought you were my moral values.
You really do sound just like him. But I shut him up long ago.

[Androgeos Exeunt]

I agree. The power of choice is quite important. If you want to see things one way, you will see things that way. If you want to see things from different perspectives, you will too.

...of course, people who do try to think from different points of view may find it difficult to get angry with almost anyone except things which are not sentient, like computers.

[tinfoil]

ok Nuke
all the gen disc posting i did last time i was on is gone. where did it go?

[Nuke]

i didnt do it

[Flipside]

Not me either, and the Admin don't tend to 'vanish' posts.

Well... Except Styxx, but he's not around often

[Bobboau]

So your intolerant of tolerant people...? Intolerance is killing our society...

Here's a story...
of my frie... ...ed to be tolerant.

first off I never said I was intolerant of tolerant people.

second off... What?!
what did that story have to do with anything?

anyway, "tolerance" is the cancer that is destroying western civilization.

...but don't at all agree with you here.  Having tolerance forced on people is destroying our society, not tolerance itself.  When civil rights leaders can get unnecessarily outraged at "nappy heady hoes" and be taken seriously, or when legitimate criticism of a group of people is labeled as racism, we have a problem.

Political correctness will honestly be the death of western civilization.

or how about when some group of people does something horrible but we are not allowed to be outraged about it because that would be intolerant.

[Flipside]

Thing is there, it is also a question of the fact that other people are intolerant of you, so there is a natural resentment if you feel it is 'wrong' to be intolerant of them.

Obvious examples mostly exist in cultural 'clashes' between East and West, where we are bombarded with images of people calling for heads and for stonings and yet are told ourselves that we must be respectful of other cultures etc.

There's a lot of Media play going in with that, I'll certainly say that much, but asking yourself whether you should be intolerant of intolerance is, to my mind, a silly question. It's all very well being cerebral about things, but you can't turn into some kind of mental Oozlem bird.

Intolerance is the one thing that should not be tolerated, paradox or not. But intolerance is a 3-edged sword, to paraphrase B5, and depends heavily on interpretation.

That said, as mentioned earlier, we also need to be careful how much intolerance there truly is and how much we are just having it blown out of proportion by an overzealous Media machine that cares more about ratings than facts.

[jdjtcagle]

So your intolerant of tolerant people...? Intolerance is killing our society...

Here's a story...
of my frie... ...ed to be tolerant.

first off I never said I was intolerant of tolerant people.

second off... What?!
what did that story have to do with anything?

anyway, "tolerance" is the cancer that is destroying western civilization.

...but don't at all agree with you here.  Having tolerance forced on people is destroying our society, not tolerance itself.  When civil rights leaders can get unnecessarily outraged at "nappy heady hoes" and be taken seriously, or when legitimate criticism of a group of people is labeled as racism, we have a problem.

Political correctness will honestly be the death of western civilization.

or how about when some group of people does something horrible but we are not allowed to be outraged about it because that would be intolerant.

Well if you believe that tolerance is killing our society, is it fair to assume that you are intolerant of what is killing society (tolerance)?

The story shows exactly what Flipside said "In order to be tolerant, you have to realise the possibility for intolerance."
They were being hypocritical in rebelling against the very thing they become, people intolerant and prejudice of whom they claimed to be were intolerant and prejudice of them.

or how about when some group of people does something horrible but we are not allowed to be outraged about it because that would be intolerant.

That is political correctness, which IMO is truly killing our society as nuclear1 said.

[TrashMan]

Tolerance? Up to a point.

tolerance has it's limit...but what to tolerate and to what extent? Given that people have different oppinions on everything and different tastes, the answer to this question also varries greatly as a result.

the only way to have true tolerance would be for everyone to be mindless drones...like the B0rg. 

[tinfoil]

not nessicarily. if everyone were to keep thir mouths etc. shut about all the things that they were intolerant of eventually everyone would be tolerent for fear of sounding like a jackass in a world of people who kept thier mouths shut.

[Flipside]

I wish it were that simple, after all, who decides what is tolerable and what is not?

There have been times in history when people have stood up and said things that have made them unpopular to those around them, because their definition of what is tolerable is different. Child Labour Laws, Womens Rights, the abolishment of Slavery, were all things that started with the few finding something intolerable in a world that tolerated it.