[Colonol Dekker]

I hate Vasudans too. . Skinny freaks. (Sorry VA ) they were my first targets in the FS series and they attacked the Orff, that will always stay with me. 
Not racist, just takes a while for me to forgive. Bosch is simply the same.

[Aardwolf]

It doesn't mean he hates them, it doesn't mean he doesn't hate them. It just means that he didn't do it out of hatred for them.

[Droid803]

It doesn't mean he hates them, it doesn't mean he doesn't hate them. It just means that he didn't do it out of hatred for them.

Yea, that's how I interpreted the line.
He's saying he didn't start the NTF because he hated Vasudans, but because he loved humanity, and wanted to protect them from the Shivans.

A noble cause, albiet taken the wrong way...

[Colonol Dekker]

I choose to side with the other interpretation, both are equally strong feelings, but he uses the patriotism over racism excuse. Your views are valid too of course. It gives him two dimensional depth which i like. It's the head of ocp, good honest evilness

[BloodEagle]

It doesn't mean he hates them, it doesn't mean he doesn't hate them. [...]

Yea, that's how I interpreted the line.

If that's what he meant, then he wouldn't have said "my hatred of Vasudans." 

[Aardwolf]

Or maybe he was using figurative language: people think he has a hatred of Vasudans, and he's trying to say that he doesn't. It could be meant either way.

[Stormkeeper]

I think that we'll never be able to really settle on Aken  Bosch's hatred of Vasudans. Whether he really  hated them or not. Whether they were merely an excuse for the rebellion. Whether or not it was a smokescreen to hide Etak.

[Titan]

i think he just used the hatred of vasudans to gain an army of zombie followers. Remember, vausdans recovered very quickly after great war. Terrans, not so much. so there would be many hard feelings.

His followers weren't fighting for Bosch or his ideas. they were fighting to satisfy their own hatred.

[Mongoose]

There was a silent threat once before, and we all know how well that went.

Crashed and burned. One question though. The Hades really wasn't finished, so why'd they send it out ....?

The Hades wasn't "sent out;" it was parked.  Remember, the Jotunheim installation was GTI headquarters, so that's presumably where the Hades was being constructed.

[Stormkeeper]

The Hades wasn't "sent out;" it was parked.  Remember, the Jotunheim installation was GTI headquarters, so that's presumably where the Hades was being constructed.

Iirc, the Hades warped in after you started hammering the installation.

i think he just used the hatred of vasudans to gain an army of zombie followers. Remember, vausdans recovered very quickly after great war. Terrans, not so much. so there would be many hard feelings.

His followers weren't fighting for Bosch or his ideas. they were fighting to satisfy their own hatred.

They believed that he hated Vasudans, so probably they figured if he was in command the old war would start again; and they'd be allowed to kill Vasudans legally.

[Akalabeth Angel]

Eh, people, watch the monologues:

Bosch says something like "I'm not doing this because of my hatred for Vasudans, but because of my love for humanity".


As someone early in the thread said, he hates Vasudans. He tells us so, straight from the horses mouth. There's no ambiguity about it.

[ShivanEmperor]

Ok, based on the accepted evidence, this looks like the true side of things:

Bosch hates the Vasudans, for reasons still a bit disputable. However, Bosch did not start his rebellion because of his hatred of Vasudans but for his love for Humanity, therefore made an alliance with the Shivans for reasons still unknown. Bosch created his rebellion by telling others that by joining him then they would be able to blow off the steam of their hatred for Vasudans, thus creating the NTF. Bosch motives all along were therefore not intended for severing the alliance with the Vasudans but simply to have his own personal army which he would then use to make a powerful alliance with the Shivans (Which explains why they killed the crew of the Iceni when they boarded it.).

Lets not get off topic. We still need to find out why he made an alliance with the Shivans and for what purpose.

[Aardwolf]

I like how what I said is getting completely ignored, and people are saying "there is no ambiguity"...

Wait, no I don't. 

[Colonol Dekker]

If he loves humanity he tried to form an alliance with the Shivans in humanitys best interests. Either to obtain a truce or to hand over the Vasudans in exchange for mankinds exemption. Thats what i would have done

[Galemp]

mm. You folks have stirred up something campaign worthy in my head. But I won't do anything about it... just yet. Gotta let it stew for a while, first.

[Kie99]

Eh, people, watch the monologues:

Bosch says something like "I'm not doing this because of my hatred for Vasudans, but because of my love for humanity".


As someone early in the thread said, he hates Vasudans. He tells us so, straight from the horses mouth. There's no ambiguity about it.

It's ambiguous, he could be saying "Not because of my hatred of Vasudans" meaning that he doesn't have hatred for Vasudans.  If it wasn't ambiguous people wouldn't be discussing it.

[tinfoil]

My personal opinion is that since no one had ever been able to communicate with the shivans prior to ETAK he wanted to know what the reasons behind the shivan invasions were.

[colecampbell666]

He may have found something in the Ancient Sites about the motives of the Shivans or something.

[tinfoil]

quite likely - he seems to gain a lot from the ancients

[Akalabeth Angel]

It's ambiguous, he could be saying "Not because of my hatred of Vasudans" meaning that he doesn't have hatred for Vasudans.  If it wasn't ambiguous people wouldn't be discussing it.

    "My Hatred for Vasudans" - What is ambigous about that?
    My - Possessive
    Hatred - Verb, to Hate
    Vasudans - Object of Hatred

     ie "I have hatred for Vasudans"

I like how what I said is getting completely ignored, and people are saying "there is no ambiguity"...
Wait, no I don't. 

      I'm not ignoring it, it's just wrong is all. So why would I mention it?
      Bosch admits he hates Vasudans, and he admits he loves Humanity. If he meant it in the way you believe, he would've said:

       "I'm not doing this out of hatred for Vasudans, but out of love for Humanity"

        After all, if he gives a **** about Vasudans, Why doesn't he intend to bring them into the Alliance as well? It's fairly clear that he's setting up a Human-Shivan Alliance. Not a Human-Vasudan-Shivan alliance. Vasudans aren't in on the deal because he doesn't give a damn about them.