Author Topic: Freespace V.S. Star Wars Part One  (Read 14776 times)

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Offline Spicious

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Re: Star Wars V.S. Freespace Part One
Fine, justify that they should. You're trying to suggest that they should, hence the onus is on you.

 

Offline ShadowGorrath

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No, you tell me why they shouldn't.

Ah just forget it. . . FS is like a baby compared to the grand'pa SW. SW has more random stuff added by their fans, and accepted by GL. There's no way FS can win cause the massive SW fanbase says otherwise.

 

Offline Jeff Vader

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Re: Star Wars V.S. Freespace Part One
Like, omg. FS will just send Alpha 1 to destroy the entire SW universe. With an Ursa.
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Offline Snail

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Re: Star Wars V.S. Freespace Part One
No, you tell me why they shouldn't.
No, you tell me why the Vasudans weren't descended from the platypus who acquired space age technology in 9000BC from the Chinese emperor but were wiped out by the Ancients (who could be dolphins with engines strapped to them by Steve Irwin).

 

Offline asyikarea51

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Maybe I didn't bother with the entire Star Wars universe, but I always thought that FS had the "superior stuff" to me.

Then again how many missiles can any standard SW fighter hold? Any random so-and-so-Wing or a standard TIE? :doubt: Since tanks like the Ares have 100 secondary weapon cargo points which is like, plenty enough to shoot down 50-60 fighters if every missile did a successful one-hit-kill?

Influence sure... influences... a lot...
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Offline Snail

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The movies were okay, I have to say, but then retouches and re-releases and comics and new books and the Expanded Universe came along and turned Star Wars into a cluster**** of ****iness.

 

Offline asyikarea51

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I pretty much guessed that with all the countless media being released in the market.

Come to think of it, to date, I've never ever watched a single Star Wars film from start to finish. Maybe that's why I don't understand what the fuss is all about (in terms of fanboyism anyway).
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Re: Star Wars V.S. Freespace Part One
Hello? I'd like to see FS win, but SW blast away everything hands down!

A single strike from a 200 Gigaton (outdated!) turret of an Acclamator would do phenomenal 128000 damage, judging by the Harbinger's 5 gigatons. Now imagine what a single Acclamator-1 Troop Transport can do with it's twelve ****ing QUAD turbolasers, and I don't even want to know what effect it's point-defense lasers have on FS fighters.

Let's see:
5 Gt= 3 200 HP
that's 640 HP/Gt TNT.
Therefore the BFRed does 18 Gt TNT per second, times 4 beams makes 72, multiplied by the 7 second firing time makes 504 Gt TNT per Sath salvo. And since beams don't even feel any resistance from shields, a well placed salvo would carve a nice hole in the SD's or even SSD's bridge. Much larger than the one an A-Wing made in RotJ.

BTW- if Star Wars ships are capable of taking such amounts of energy without exploding, why is it that Terran Maras become hood ornaments on a Sath, while a Kamikaze A-Wing kills an SSD in 1 hit?
A beam cannon with energy measured in kilotons (Shivan AAA uber weak) would do just fine in blowing up the bridge and therefore making SD's useless if we're playing it by the numbers, and not by the logic.


We have no evidence that SW shield aren't stopping beams, aside from the fact that a single shot from a modern Star Destroyer bears 500 Gigatons of firepower IIRC, and now just imagine a whole broadside of these things battering you.
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Offline Stormkeeper

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I think the FS2 universe focuses more on the fighters, which are more powerful than Star Wars fighters and bombers. While using the GT/hp conversion may make the Imperials much more powerful capital ship wise, I doubt that the firepower from 4 TiE bombers can match that of 4 Boanerages(sp?), or even 4 Ursas.

Its difficult to make an exact comparison because SW does not elaborate much on the strength of their secondaries, or even the mechanisms behind the photon torpedo. However, if books are to be considered part of the canon SW universe, then photon torpedoes blast "is focused into a tight cone to maximize effectiveness and minimize collateral damage and energy leakage away from the target", but the effects on a starfighter seem to resemble that of a regular explosive. Then its conceivable that the photon torpedoes carried by the TiE bombers are anti-capital, and focus their blasts into a small area, drilling into the hull.

Cyclopses, being standard anti-capital warheads, ostensibly are just slow moving missiles, spreading their damage over a wider area. While they deal less precise damage, they have a larger chance of wiping out nearby turrets, or disrupting systems with their shockwaves.

Which means, FS bombers are more likely to destroy banks of turrets with their shockwaves, but might need more firepower to crack the hull of a ISD, while conversely, a TiE bomber will cut through the hull faster, but will need precise aiming to take out turrets, which puts them at a much greater risk from FS point defense turrets, which are respectable in their own right.

Then again how many missiles can any standard SW fighter hold? Any random so-and-so-Wing or a standard TIE? :doubt: Since tanks like the Ares have 100 secondary weapon cargo points which is like, plenty enough to shoot down 50-60 fighters if every missile did a successful one-hit-kill?
Actually iirc, the TiE fighters and interceptors have none, while the Defender only has space for 4 concussion missiles.
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Offline ShadowGorrath

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Re: Star Wars V.S. Freespace Part One
The movies were okay, I have to say, but then retouches and re-releases and comics and new books and the Expanded Universe came along and turned Star Wars into a cluster**** of ****iness.

I actually LIKED Star Wars BEFORE I heard of the omg-multiple-terraton-laz0rs, supernova making/surviving ships and the like...

Ancients (who could be dolphins with engines strapped to them by Steve Irwin).

HOW DID YOU KNOW? Damn, my secret plan on 'How Ancients look like' is ruined...

EDIT: GTVA and Shivan corvettes survived initial supernova shockwave. BEAT THAT.
« Last Edit: June 30, 2008, 07:00:14 am by ShadowGorrath »

 
Re: Star Wars V.S. Freespace Part One
Oh come on, there is another thread here for discussion about specs. Let's keep this storyline-only please. Isn't there a moderator on this board?

 

Offline Snail

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Re: Star Wars V.S. Freespace Part One
EDIT: GTVA and Shivan corvettes survived initial supernova shockwave. BEAT THAT.
I believe that the first explosion was simply the dissipated heat. The second one was the actual shockwave.

 

Offline Jeff Vader

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Re: Star Wars V.S. Freespace Part One
the fact that a single shot from a modern Star Destroyer bears 500 Gigatons of firepower IIRC, and now just imagine a whole broadside of these things battering you.
And it's even more fun when you start to compare these numbers to, say, the nuclear weapons used during the World War II. Ridiculous.

Isn't there a moderator on this board?
Actually, no.
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23:40 < achillion > wait no
23:40 < achillion > evilbagel: ass
23:40 < EveningTea > ?
23:40 < achillion > 2-letter tab complete failure

14:08 < achillion > there's too much talk of butts and dongs in here
14:08 < achillion > the level of discourse has really plummeted
14:08 < achillion > Let's talk about politics instead
14:08 <@The_E > butts and dongs are part of #hard-light's brand now
14:08 <@The_E > well
14:08 <@The_E > EvilBagel's brand, at least

01:06 < T-Rog > welp
01:07 < T-Rog > I've got to take some very strong antibiotics
01:07 < achillion > penis infection?
01:08 < T-Rog > Chlamydia
01:08 < achillion > O.o
01:09 < achillion > well
01:09 < achillion > I guess that happens
01:09 < T-Rog > at least it's curable
01:09 < achillion > yeah
01:10 < T-Rog > I take it you weren't actually expecting it to be a penis infection
01:10 < achillion > I was not

14:04 < achillion > Sometimes the way to simplify is to just have a habit and not think about it too much
14:05 < achillion > until stuff explodes
14:05 < achillion > then you start thinking about it

22:16 < T-Rog > I don't know how my gf would feel about Jewish conspiracy porn

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Offline colecampbell666

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Re: Star Wars V.S. Freespace Part One
Prove to me this: If SW happened so long ago, why is Thrawn in command after so many thousand years, and why is the ISD design still being used?
Gettin' back to dodgin' lasers.

 
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Prove to me this: If SW happened so long ago, why is Thrawn in command after so many thousand years, and why is the ISD design still being used?

Still?

The ISD is of rather recent design, it's not already used for millenia or so. Actually, you can almost count it as outdated. AFAIK they're being replaced by Imperial-II SDs, if we are going to use the Movie's ships. Which is bad. Because an Imperial-II has eight frickin' octuple turbolaser batteries on each side, one 500 gigaton shot means calculated 320000 k damage, multiplicated with eight you have the damage of one turret fired all-out: 2 560 000!
Again multiplicated with four, you get a full broadside: A colossal 10 240 000. Enough damage to kill ten Collosi/Sathanai with one broadside. A single turret will do though.
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Re: Star Wars V.S. Freespace Part One
Prove to me this: If SW happened so long ago, why is Thrawn in command after so many thousand years, and why is the ISD design still being used?

Because someone divided by zero...?

Also- Turbolasers are useless against strike craft, as shown by SW Ep. III and the 1-st Death Star.


And:
Quote from: FS Wiki
Shields are incapable of repelling energy from beam cannons, and are easily pierced by these weapons.

Where did that info come from, I have no idea, but it's in the Wiki under Shields
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Offline colecampbell666

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Re: Star Wars V.S. Freespace Part One
If beams can pierce fighter shields, why not SW shields. This is all just a case of Fanboy Vs. Fanboy.
Gettin' back to dodgin' lasers.

 

Offline Stormkeeper

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Re: Star Wars V.S. Freespace Part One
If beams can pierce fighter shields, why not SW shields. This is all just a case of Fanboy Vs. Fanboy.
In which case the argument will never be resolved. And besides, this thread is supposed to be for the fanfiction, not for our discussion on FS and SW specs.
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Offline Snail

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Re: Star Wars V.S. Freespace Part One
Prove to me this: If SW happened so long ago, why is Thrawn in command after so many thousand years, and why is the ISD design still being used?
They went through a temporal Knossos. ;)

 
Re: Star Wars V.S. Freespace Part One
No, the person who runs SD.net calls himself Darth Wong. A coincidence, I assure you. Also he hates me.

An A-wing did not take out the Executor, if you pay attention to the movie and novelization of the movie you will see that Admiral Ackbar ordered the entire Alliance fleet to concentrate their firepower on the Executor, which lowered its shields, thus allowing the A-wing to hit the command bridge, which set off secondary explosions, and the gravity of the Death Star pulled it in and destroyed it.

If they hadn't been so close to the Death Star the ship would only have been temporarily inconvenienced, and it only happened in the first place because the shields were blasted down by the Alliance fleet.

As for the beams, penetration of one type of shield hardly implies penetration of any type of shield, no matter how powerful or alien it is compared to the shields they are shown to work against.

You might as well say that since an H-bomb can destroy any modern tank or naval vessel, it could destroy any alien technology as well.
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