Author Topic: Freespace V.S. Star Wars Part One  (Read 13678 times)

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Offline colecampbell666

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Re: Star Wars V.S. Freespace Part One
Lets figure. Why the hell does Star Wars have such amazing armor? Why? They have many planets, FreeSpace has many planets. Both civilizations have about the same society, with 1-2 km being the average size of capital ships. Each civilization has powerful weapons, just in different forms. Star wars shields can easily be pierced by beams, while their turbolasers don't have to pierce the shields of a GTVA or Shivan capital ship (except for the Lucifer) and can damage them directly. Ergo, shields on capital ships are moot.

TIE fighters have fairly weak weaponry (the standard TIE, not the Defender or Interceptor, which are fairly rare) while FS has larger fighters and bombers, with more power. Fighter shields in SW are fairly weak, from what I can tell, while FS shields are incredibly powerful in comparison. An ISD holds 72 fighters, while a Hecate carries 150 IIRC, and an Orion carries 125, with most of the ISD's complement being weak TIEs, and the destroyer's being powerful FS fighters.

Figure an ISD is 1.6 km. That is in between the length of a destroyer and corvette. A destroyer has about 125000 HP, while a corvette has about 85000. That gives an ISD about 95000-100000 HP, and marginally weaker weapons than a destroyer.

And then throw in Saths. A Sath can destroy a destroyer in one volley, which is larger than an ISD. Also, the Imperial Navy only managed to make about 10 SSDs, while the Shivans have many, many Sathanases.

Besides, I think that the whole imbalance is due to ravenous fanboyism.
« Last Edit: June 29, 2008, 09:16:08 am by colecampbell666 »
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Offline Spicious

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Re: Star Wars V.S. Freespace Part One
They have many planets, FreeSpace has many planets.
Only if you take 'many' to mean two very different things. You may notice that Star Wars includes several orders of magnitude more planets than are seen in the FS universe.

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TIE fighters have fairly weak weaponry (the standard TIE, not the Defender or Interceptor, which are fairly rare) while FS has larger fighters and bombers, with more power.
And you pull this from where?

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That gives an ISD about 95000-100000 HP, and marginally weaker weapons than a destroyer.
Only if they are built of the same materials and use the same weapons technology.

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And then throw in Saths. A Sath can destroy a destroyer in one volley, which is larger than an ISD. Also, the Imperial Navy only managed to make about 10 SSDs, while the Shivans have many, many Sathanases.
They did manage two death stars and various similar superweapons though.

 

Offline Rolf

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Re: Star Wars V.S. Freespace Part One
What exactly is grand admiral thrawn doing in Byss? He spent most of his time in the unknown regions near his homeworld, This must take place around the time of Grand Admiral Zaarin's coup d'├ętat, since that was the only time I can think of when he was close enough to the deep core.

I think the best most likely blace for a Knossos to be in the SWG would be in either the corellian sector or the unknown regions, so if it were the unknown regions Thrawn would be the first imp to go through it. This is obviousely a ALT U story so I take it we wont have to worry about continuity.

I still find it hard to believe even an ISD would take down a Cain in a matter of seconds, and there is no way TIEs could take down a wing of hercs without substaining a single cassualty.

True the big turbolasers are the ISD's best deffense, but not even they can take down a ship that fast.

The really exciteing thing about this fic is it adds a third faction to the whole nebula thing. (Or Fourth if you count the vasudans as a seperate faction.)

 
Re: Star Wars V.S. Freespace Part One
Hello? I'd like to see FS win, but SW blast away everything hands down!

A single strike from a 200 Gigaton (outdated!) turret of an Acclamator would do phenomenal 128000 damage, judging by the Harbinger's 5 gigatons. Now imagine what a single Acclamator-1 Troop Transport can do with it's twelve ****ing QUAD turbolasers, and I don't even want to know what effect it's point-defense lasers have on FS fighters.
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Offline ShadowGorrath

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Re: Star Wars V.S. Freespace Part One
Hello? I'd like to see FS win, but SW blast away everything hands down!

A single strike from a 200 Gigaton (outdated!) turret of an Acclamator would do phenomenal 128000 damage, judging by the Harbinger's 5 gigatons. Now imagine what a single Acclamator-1 Troop Transport can do with it's twelve ****ing QUAD turbolasers, and I don't even want to know what effect it's point-defense lasers have on FS fighters.

Now children, this is an example of the disease known of SW-fanboy-over-exagerating. It's when people tend to multiply everything by 10 times and add supernova making-surviving ships.

 

Offline Snail

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Re: Star Wars V.S. Freespace Part One
It's got nothing to do with the fanboys. It's the Expanded Universe alone.

 

Offline ShadowGorrath

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Re: Star Wars V.S. Freespace Part One
Actually, it's like this:

Whining-fanboys-who-overexagerate + George Lucas accepting EVERYTHING as canon = OMG THOUSANDS OF TERRATONS FIREPOWER LAZORS ON SUPERNOVA SURVIVING SHIPS

I bet that if enough people from HLP started to whine for a SSJ Gigas to become canon in SW, George L. would accept. :p

 
Re: Star Wars V.S. Freespace Part One
Actually, it's like this:

Whining-fanboys-who-overexagerate + George Lucas accepting EVERYTHING as canon = OMG THOUSANDS OF TERRATONS FIREPOWER LAZORS ON SUPERNOVA SURVIVING SHIPS

I bet that if enough people from HLP started to whine for a SSJ Gigas to become canon in SW, George L. would accept. :p

See, I think the SW stats are vastly overpowered, and I am basing all these information on canon literature, but FS _simply_can't_win_. Not with all help from the heavens.
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Offline ShadowGorrath

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Re: Star Wars V.S. Freespace Part One
Think what you want, but I am writing a story where Shivans are PULVERISING the Imperials. I doubt my writing's good though. And I have no characters. . .

 

Offline Jeff Vader

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Re: Star Wars V.S. Freespace Part One
See, I think the SW stats are vastly overpowered, and I am basing all these information on canon literature, but FS _simply_can't_win_. Not with all help from the heavens.
See, that's where you're wrong. We've agreed that FS takes place in "our" galaxy and SW in a galaxy far, far away, right? So, concidering the GTVA also has all these high-tech gizmos, what stops them from cloning Chuck Norris (assuming that he has died for some reason) and unleashing him on the Star Wars bastards? Epic win. Unless Chuck Norris also takes care of the Terrans, Vasudans and Shivans.
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Re: Star Wars V.S. Freespace Part One
Quoting canon material is not "overexaggerating". It's canon that a Star Destroyer can melt the crust of an entire planet in an hour, that takes teratons/petatons of firepower. It's canon that an Executor class SSD's reactor produces more power than a small star. It's canon that the Death Star blew apart Alderaan so violently that if you scaled its beam down to the size of turbolasers on a Star Destroyer, it would be way stronger than most of the canon firepower figures. It's canon that the Empire controls the entire galaxy, while the GTVA has a few dozen systems. It's canon that the Sun Crusher can destroy a star in a few hours with one torpedo, compared to months and with a fleet of Sathanai. It's canon that the amount of material used to build the second Death Star would be equivalent to building billions of Star Destroyers.

Also, just because beams can penetrate Freespace shields, what makes you think they could do the same to Star Wars shields, which are based on completely different technology (and much stronger, too)?
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Offline Jeff Vader

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Re: Star Wars V.S. Freespace Part One
compared to months and with a fleet of Sathanai.
That took days. If you don't count the time it took for them to get to the sun in the first place.
23:40 < achillion > EveningTea: ass
23:40 < achillion > wait no
23:40 < achillion > evilbagel: ass
23:40 < EveningTea > ?
23:40 < achillion > 2-letter tab complete failure

14:08 < achillion > there's too much talk of butts and dongs in here
14:08 < achillion > the level of discourse has really plummeted
14:08 < achillion > Let's talk about politics instead
14:08 <@The_E > butts and dongs are part of #hard-light's brand now
14:08 <@The_E > well
14:08 <@The_E > EvilBagel's brand, at least

01:06 < T-Rog > welp
01:07 < T-Rog > I've got to take some very strong antibiotics
01:07 < achillion > penis infection?
01:08 < T-Rog > Chlamydia
01:08 < achillion > O.o
01:09 < achillion > well
01:09 < achillion > I guess that happens
01:09 < T-Rog > at least it's curable
01:09 < achillion > yeah
01:10 < T-Rog > I take it you weren't actually expecting it to be a penis infection
01:10 < achillion > I was not

14:04 < achillion > Sometimes the way to simplify is to just have a habit and not think about it too much
14:05 < achillion > until stuff explodes
14:05 < achillion > then you start thinking about it

22:16 < T-Rog > I don't know how my gf would feel about Jewish conspiracy porn

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Offline General Battuta

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Re: Star Wars V.S. Freespace Part One
DarthWang, did you name yourself after the DarthWang who runs stardestroyer.net?

 
Re: Star Wars V.S. Freespace Part One
This is all my point. The FS universe in set a few hundred years from now in a VERY small part of the galaxy. Got any idea how many stars are in the entire galaxy? Well the SW universe is set a long time ago in a galaxy far far away and they actually have access to that 1.Idon'tknowhowmanybillionsofstarsareinthegalaxy amount of stars. More territoy in space means more planets, more planets means different materials, different materials means different tech, different tech means a likely difference in strength compared to FS ships.

Which means that SW metel could be far stronger which means far stronger hull. This is why Beam cannons could not penetrate the ISD's shields.

If you want FS to win this fic, well... I wont release spoilers, but all I can tell you is that this is set in the exact same timeline as that of the main Freespace 2 Campaign. So none of the events in my fic will really be jumping into the main FS campaign. :yes:
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Re: Star Wars V.S. Freespace Part One
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more planets means different materials
Well, not really.
There are only around 100 stable elements - and the list is complete, without some holes.
There are more, artificially produced elements (according to wiki its 118 atm, yes, we are "creating" elements even right now!)
In fact, any element that can be found on a planet, can be produced in an accelerator. Maybe its a little more expensive, maybe you dont have techniques to use those materials. But all of them are available to the FS-Universe for certain.

 

Offline Fenrir

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Exactly. Atoms are the same in all parts of the universe. Sure, there are tons of possibilities for compounds, but you`re not going to find a planet that has a completely different periodic table.

 

Offline colecampbell666

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Re: Star Wars V.S. Freespace Part One
See, I think the SW stats are vastly overpowered, and I am basing all these information on canon literature, but FS _simply_can't_win_. Not with all help from the heavens.
See, that's where you're wrong. We've agreed that FS takes place in "our" galaxy and SW in a galaxy far, far away, right? So, concidering the GTVA also has all these high-tech gizmos, what stops them from cloning Chuck Norris (assuming that he has died for some reason) and unleashing him on the Star Wars bastards? Epic win. Unless Chuck Norris also takes care of the Terrans, Vasudans and Shivans.
And if they decide to pair him with Samuel L. Jackson and the A Team...
Gettin' back to dodgin' lasers.

 
Re: Star Wars V.S. Freespace Part One
Hello? I'd like to see FS win, but SW blast away everything hands down!

A single strike from a 200 Gigaton (outdated!) turret of an Acclamator would do phenomenal 128000 damage, judging by the Harbinger's 5 gigatons. Now imagine what a single Acclamator-1 Troop Transport can do with it's twelve ****ing QUAD turbolasers, and I don't even want to know what effect it's point-defense lasers have on FS fighters.

Let's see:
5 Gt= 3 200 HP
that's 640 HP/Gt TNT.
Therefore the BFRed does 18 Gt TNT per second, times 4 beams makes 72, multiplied by the 7 second firing time makes 504 Gt TNT per Sath salvo. And since beams don't even feel any resistance from shields, a well placed salvo would carve a nice hole in the SD's or even SSD's bridge. Much larger than the one an A-Wing made in RotJ.

BTW- if Star Wars ships are capable of taking such amounts of energy without exploding, why is it that Terran Maras become hood ornaments on a Sath, while a Kamikaze A-Wing kills an SSD in 1 hit?
A beam cannon with energy measured in kilotons (Shivan AAA uber weak) would do just fine in blowing up the bridge and therefore making SD's useless if we're playing it by the numbers, and not by the logic.
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Offline Spicious

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And since beams don't even feel any resistance from shields

Evidence please. (And no, fighter shields do not qualify.)

 

Offline ShadowGorrath

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fighter shields do not qualify.)

Why not?