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Offline General Battuta

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Ceased and desisted?
I'm worried about this:

http://blog.wired.com/games/2008/07/good-old-games.html

Notice that Freespace (2) is among the games offered for download under ten dollars.

D'you think we could have a problem here? I guess we'll just have to wait and see. It could be a blessing -- at worst, we'd have to stop offering retail downloads.

 

Offline Snail

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Re: Ceased and desisted?
I saw problems in putting FS up for download the second it started (well, when I found out).

 

Offline ShadowGorrath

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Re: Ceased and desisted?
The mediavps and SCP does not belong to them. The source code does, but what the SCP and FSU teams have made/done with it don't. So all we have to worry about is staying silent about "GET FS2 HERE".

 

Offline CP5670

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Re: Ceased and desisted?
I don't think this is a big issue just yet. Gametap has also had it available for a while now and there has not been any trouble.

 

Offline Retsof

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Re: Ceased and desisted?
 :nervous: Uhm hehe, I guess that means I should take the link to turrey's installer out of my sig on one of the other forums I go to.
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Offline tinfoil

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Re: Ceased and desisted?
methinks that would be good.

now just out of curiosity what could they do it they decided we were cutting into their sales?
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Offline Rodo

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Re: Ceased and desisted?
as far as I know, they have no right to prevent us from using our copies the way we want... I think they should be worried not us.

el hombre vicio...

  

Offline Zarathud

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Re: Ceased and desisted?
If anything, the site is good advertising for GOG and the new sales of XP/Vista compatible FS2 brings in new blood.  In the event of legal action, offer to cooperate with a link directly to GOG in exchange for a nod to route purchasers here.  Link exchange and co-marketing for the win!
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as far as I know, they have no right to prevent us from using our copies the way we want... I think they should be worried not us.

Interplay and Volition retain a lot of intellectual property rights that are pretty regularly violated by the FreeSpace community.  I'm no IP lawyer, but nowhere has either company granted any of our unofficial the right to distribute or create and distribute derivative content.  In fact, the final version of the FS2 EULA (that is, the one without the 'friends' clause) pretty explicitly prohibits such activities....

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Interplay Entertainment Corp. and its licensors retain all right, title and interest in the Software including all intellectual property rights embodied therein and derivatives thereof.  The Software, including, without limitation, all code, data structures, characters, images, sounds, text, screens, game play, derivative works and all other elements of the Software may not be copied, resold, rented, leased, distributed (electronically or otherwise)...

I know part of that has been revised by the license under which Volition released the source code, and though I need to double check, I believe that that only grants the right to distribute the source code itself and works derived directly from it.  That would include the FSO and FRED_Open executables, but not the MediaVP content, which is rather plainly derived from the retail FS2 content.

I'm no IP lawyer, but if I had to venture a guess, I'd say that, if continued community distribution of FS2 is seen as cutting into a legal distributor's profit margin, server owners and administrators with FreeSpace content would receive cease-and-desist letters, with a court date to follow, should they not comply.  If unsatisfied with that, they could then attempt to track down individual users, in much the same fashion as the RIAA goes after individual users of filesharing networks.

That's a worst-case scenario, rolling through my mind, though.  If I remember those titles correctly, they're all games that Interplay distributed.  It seems as though they're trying to reestablish some normal cashflow through digital distribution of some of their classic titles, which means they might be satisfied taking whatever they can get with a minimum of cost and effort, and lawyers are never cheap or easy to deal with.  At the same time,  I'm making a point not to lose my FS2 CDs, just in case someone in a suit comes knocking, asking questions.

 

Offline karajorma

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Re: Ceased and desisted?
Yep, they can cease and desist us any time they decide to do so. However it would be smarter for them to work out some kind of exchange whereby we send users to them to buy the game and they send people to us to download FS2_Open.
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Offline Snail

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Re: Ceased and desisted?
Not many people are that reasonable or smart.

 

Offline Shade

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Should note that they can do nothing to the SCP and they can do nothing to any total conversions. It's only the distribution of retail Freespace art assets that could be C&D'd.
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Offline WMCoolmon

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Re: Ceased and desisted?
I just hope that if they do send a C&D letter, it comes with that "By Gamers, For Gamers" logo in the corner.
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Offline Rodo

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Re: Ceased and desisted?
new players who get freespace will come right at this forums... as it has always happened, this place can get the best out of this game and no player will resist the temptation... It seems whatever they do about law issues will eventually hurt them as well.
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Offline Mongoose

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Re: Ceased and desisted?
I've read people commenting on the Gamespot article about this that "the FS2 open-source project is already free."  Methinks our advertising efforts are getting a bit twisted. :p

 

Offline Polpolion

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Re: Ceased and desisted?
They don't care about us. They're charging less than 10 dollars for the game; it's clear they don't intend for this to be an actual attempt at making big money. I could understand if the game was rand new (or even a couple years old) and they were selling it for 50 dollars, but prosecuting us for a 5 dollar, 10 year old impulse buy game is just ridiculous.

 
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They don't care about us. They're charging less than 10 dollars for the game...  ...prosecuting us for a 5 dollar, 10 year old impulse buy game is just ridiculous.

For comparison, the RIAA goes after people illegally downloading songs otherwise available for a dollar on iTunes.

I'm not arguing that we're definately going to be taken to court, but the possibility most certainly exists, and even if they don't intend to sue, Interplay or one of these distributors could use the threat to muscle the community into changing the way it operates.

 

Offline cloneof

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This actually sounds like a fantastic idea. All the good games by only under 10 dollars.
That is, if I would have 10 dollars.

 

Offline Polpolion

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For comparison, the RIAA goes after people illegally downloading songs otherwise available for a dollar on iTunes.

(A) People buy (by that I mean acquire in one way or another) music more often than games.
(B) The relative quality of a song doesn't diminish with time, it does with games. (open-sourceness notwithstanding)
(C) The music industry functions in a way that logically merits that. The music industry is too different to compare these two instances.

 

Offline FUBAR-BDHR

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Re: Ceased and desisted?
If they are selling the game who's supporting it?
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