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Offline BlackDove

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Re: Batman: The Dark Knight
You have to pick up the hints he drops down.

I'll give you a few.

Spoiler:
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Offline Ford Prefect

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Re: Batman: The Dark Knight
****, that makes perfect sense. I wonder if they did it on purpose.
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Offline Turambar

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Re: Batman: The Dark Knight
huh, maybe im just being dense.
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Offline brandx0

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Re: Batman: The Dark Knight
Yeah... As far as I've read, they specifically DIDN'T give the Joker a background.  I think if you can find some sort of background from his actions in the movie then you're reading into it more than the makers of the film intended.
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Offline General Battuta

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Re: Batman: The Dark Knight
You commit the intentional fallacy -- once a work of art is released, its meaning is defined by the viewer, not by authorial intent.

I'm with BlackDove, and I think this origin for the Joker is genius!

 

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Re: Batman: The Dark Knight
I don't even get what he's talking about, the origin of the joker?  What is the origin that you're talking about?
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Re: Batman: The Dark Knight
I don't get it either. I suppose I don't know the Batman mythos enough.

 

Offline Ford Prefect

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BlackDove is implying that the Joker is an ex-soldier. I really like the idea.
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Offline General Battuta

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Re: Batman: The Dark Knight
Or at least some kind of CIA operative, doing demolitions and interrogation and stuff.

 
Re: Batman: The Dark Knight
Maybe it's because I only watched the batman cartoon 3 years ago and lost interest, but I thought this movie was only above average. Sure it had a lot of awesome (and occasionally hilarious) moments, but I just fail to find anything personally memorable about it.
Fun while it lasted.

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Offline colecampbell666

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Re: Batman: The Dark Knight
Gonna go see this Sunday.
Gettin' back to dodgin' lasers.

 

Offline Mars

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Re: Batman: The Dark Knight
Just saw it... it truly was an amazing movie.

 

Offline BlackDove

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Re: Batman: The Dark Knight
****, that makes perfect sense. I wonder if they did it on purpose.

Of course they did.

The reason why Heath's Joker is so good, is because he's the first one that was fleshed out COMPLETELY. The Joker tells the viewer that he is NOT crazy, and there's really no reason to not believe him, especially with how much proof to that statement his actions in the movie give.

In the first Batman film, they gave Jack's Joker a flimsy "gangster" angle as Jack Napier, and he was only always as good as that background. The transition to it as well was pretty weak. Okay, he snapped and lost his mind after he fell in a pool of acid, leaving a perpetual smile, so his entire personality changed to fit a Jokers. Sounds like something out of a comic book.

Here however, they deeply rooted him as realistically a possible, which makes him all that much more believable and powerful as a character. The entire "torture" jail scene "YOU HAVE NOTHING. NOTHING TO THREATEN ME WITH. NOTHING TO DO WITH ALL YOUR STRENGTH", he's talking in doublespeak (I'd say 95% of the people seeing the movie didn't pick up on it), not to mention knowing how to manipulate it from a victim's side, culminating in him getting exactly what he wants. That's another hint right there.

Oh and, everyone with the "He doesn't have a past on purpose" and "He's not meant to have a past", what you're positing is a VERY lame excuse not to use your brain, which I would surmise you do because your perception is lacking. Less excuses, more activating the brain.
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Offline Agent_Koopa

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Re: Batman: The Dark Knight
Wow. I just saw it with some of my friends. And... I'm impressed. Honestly, that's the best word I can come up with to describe my reaction. Some critics felt that the level of intensity remained at a constant climax throughout the film, and I agree. IMO, the movie was intense, exhausting, and frightening. I enjoyed it, if "enjoyed" can be used to describe something as emotionally exhausting as the movie. It didn't feel like a traditional superhero movie. I think one of the previous posters here hit the nail on the head when they talked about the Joker not acting like a comic-book villain. That's precisely why Heath Ledger is so disturbing and so threatening as the Joker. It's because you really feel, you really understand the fact that the Joker has absolutely no rules, how he takes Die Hard-style acts of terrorism/violence and makes them more than just theatrics. It's both Heath Ledger's amazing performance and the visual design of the Joker, with his insanity implicit in his makeup, his hair, absolutely everything. They did everything they could to make it clear that the Joker is not an over-dramatic supervillain with one gimmick and a master plan, he's a real guy, doing real crimes, and he WILL come to your house and hurt you.

You have to pick up the hints he drops down.

I'll give you a few.

Spoiler:
*snip*

What am I? Where have I been? How did I get these opinions? Where?

The Joker was the explosives expert for the A-Team? :eek2:
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Re: Batman: The Dark Knight
Why is the origin of the Joker even important?
Fun while it lasted.

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Re: Batman: The Dark Knight
Because it lays the foundation on why he is who he is. This interests people.
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Offline Turambar

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Re: Batman: The Dark Knight
Spoiler:
The killed the girl they killed the girl yaaaaay

batman doesnt need some retarded plucky romantic interest, he's the goddamn batman!

he should be ****ing Catwoman or Barbara Gordon not some regular chick

yay girl go boom!!!
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Offline Herra Tohtori

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Re: Batman: The Dark Knight
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Why is the origin of the Joker even important?

Oh come on. Why so serious?

The answer is: Because depending of interpretation, you can red all kinds of statements from between the lines and base a whole line of education in interpretation of literature, movies and other art forms. :p In this case, you can read more or less subtle message about war veterans lives being completely screwed up by post traumatic stress disorders, psychosis and other souvenirs from the frontlines. In other words, do you know how Joker got his scars...?

And the best - or worst depending on interpretation [pun intended] - thing about it is that every interpretation, given sufficient argumentation backing it up, is equally accurate. Perhaps it was his drunk fiend father... perhaps not.

Regarding the movie, saw it finally. Awesomeness. The only thing that irked me was the appearence of dei ex machinae, like the Joker apparently having set up explosives all over Gotham City beforehand, or having an absolutely huge army of ninjas specializing on infiltration and sabotage at his disposal... like how he managed to rig the hospital and the ships. Normal thugs can't do that, they'd be spotted. Joker himself would have taken a lot of time to rig the hospital secretly, leaving him barely any time to do anything else... therefore, ninjas. Or wizards. Let's say ninja wizards to be sure.


Also, why use spoiler tags in a thread about the Dark Knight? Shouldn't the thread topic kinda, you know, imply that the discussion might concern the movie in question and thus have some details of the plot...? :nervous:


EDIT: Oh snap, just thought of something blatantly obvious...



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Offline Ford Prefect

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Re: Batman: The Dark Knight
Damn you for thinking of that before I did.
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Offline Mika

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Re: Batman: The Dark Knight
Gets a good movie rating from me. Finally a good villain, who has thought out dialogue. Frightening that there are people like that around, isn't it? The thing about Joker is that the character is not far-fetched. He is quite real, but still cartoonistic enough that you only need to expand your belief in the real world by a small bit. The magic trick -scene is a big hands up for martial artists! At least I was smiling! (For those who don't know, people have indeed been killed with a pencil going through their eye or throat.)

But it wasn't as good as they say in IMDB. I don't like the Two-Face part of the movie, Joker himself would have been more than enough, now it feels they have tried to stuff too much in there.

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