[WMCoolmon]

The thing that bugs me about the capellan supernova......the Shivans are referred to as the great Preservers by the Ancients right? Well, blowing up a star doesn't presrve much! An entire ecosystem wiped out (Capella has numerous planets, many of which could have supported life (but not as we know it). It may be very primitive now (FreeSPace2 time), but the point about the Shivans being preservers is they destroy older races for newer races to come to the fore. Blowing up Capella pretty much did for that system!

By the end of FS1, we basically know what the Shivans are doing (preserving the balance by blowing up people who are too powerful). But by FS2 that whole great destroyers and great preservers analogy doesn't cut it as there are whole load of other questions to answer.

o rly?

That explanation for the Shivans' motives is itself tied in with the Ancients' considerable ego. Even though the Ancients explain the Shivans as being 'the great Destroyers' and 'the great Preservers', we don't actually know if their motives are anything of the kind. The Ancients' explanation for the Shivans' motives may have just been wistful thinking based on circumstantial evidence.

So the Ancients may be right...but only from a certain POV.

[Akalabeth Angel]

o rly?

That explanation for the Shivans' motives is itself tied in with the Ancients' considerable ego. Even though the Ancients explain the Shivans as being 'the great Destroyers' and 'the great Preservers', we don't actually know if their motives are anything of the kind. The Ancients' explanation for the Shivans' motives may have just been wistful thinking based on circumstantial evidence.

So the Ancients may be right...but only from a certain POV.

     Minor point, but I think Alpha 1 is the only guy who calls them the Great Preservers.

[Spicious]

The nebula has already expanded for hundreds, if not thousands of lightyears, thus spanning several solar systems (don't argue about that, it's true).

Care to explain how you've come across this truth? (Ignoring that lightyears are a measure of distance, not time)

[Androgeos Exeunt]

The nebula has already expanded for hundreds, if not thousands of lightyears, thus spanning several solar systems (don't argue about that, it's true).

Care to explain how you've come across this truth? (Ignoring that lightyears are a measure of distance, not time)

He probably got from Mystery of the Trinity.

This nebula could be ten or twenty light years in diameter. Finding a single ship would be impossible.

That doesn't say much, though, since that was a pilot's view and not Intelligence.

[eliex]

The nebula has already expanded for hundreds, if not thousands of lightyears, thus spanning several solar systems (don't argue about that, it's true).

Care to explain how you've come across this truth? (Ignoring that lightyears are a measure of distance, not time)

He probably got from Mystery of the Trinity.

This nebula could be ten or twenty light years in diameter. Finding a single ship would be impossible.

That doesn't say much, though, since that was a pilot's view and not Intelligence.

I guess that Alpha 2's comment was slight exaggerated just to emphasise how difficult it was to go around hunting for single Shivan ships.

[FreeSpaceFreak]

The nebula has already expanded for hundreds, if not thousands of lightyears, thus spanning several solar systems (don't argue about that, it's true).

Care to explain how you've come across this truth? (Ignoring that lightyears are a measure of distance, not time)

The nebula is said to be about 8000 years old, and all nebulae we know now HAVE expanded since their birth (that's why they're nebulae) and are still expanding. You do know what most nebulas come from, right?

Allright, perhaps not hundreds or thousands of lightyears, but even 10-20 ly is big enough to span some nearby star systems, with planets. And yes, I know what lightyears are, thank you.

[WMCoolmon]

The Crab Nebula, according to Wikipedia, is ~1000 years old and about 11ly in diameter. So it's perfectly reasonable for a nebula to be 20 ly in diameter, although if it expanded at the same rate as the Crab Nebula, that seems a little small.

[Mars]

To be fair, the nebula in FS2 is incredibly dense

[Snail]

To be fair, the nebula in FS2 is incredibly dense

Well, so are the asteroid fields. Let's just assume that the nebula is a normal nebula.

[eliex]

To be fair, the nebula in FS2 is incredibly dense

Well, so are the asteroid fields. Let's just assume that the nebula is a normal nebula.

Then I'd be incredibly scared if I was in Kappa wing's shoes. 

[FreeSpaceFreak]

Why?

[Androgeos Exeunt]

Well, all nebulae will definitely reduce your sensor range, and considering that you're almost out there alone, think about it: no wind, only your breathing and the sound coming from your ship's thrusters and systems.

[Mongoose]

Regarding gravity wells in nebulae, don't forget that the white dwarf/neutron star/black hole left after the creation of a nebula is a massive object in and of itself, certainly far more massive than any number of full-fledged stars in existence at this very moment.  Presumably, even ignoring the mass contained in the nebular gas, such an object would be more than capable of creating the gravity well necessary for intrasystem jumps, as well as supporting whatever sort of weird gravimetric subspace fluctuations that give rise to intersystem nodes.