[Dilmah G]

Although once they discover that the UEF is rather benevolent

Are they?

[Stormkeeper]

Relatively anyway, as far as we know for now.

[Dilmah G]

Relatively anyway, as far as we know for now.

Well we haven't been told a lot about the UEF so really we're basing this on nothing. The GTVA wouldn't have sent a strike force in unless something the UEF did or had seriously scared them IMO....

[Stormkeeper]

Well we haven't been told a lot about the UEF so really we're basing this on nothing. The GTVA wouldn't have sent a strike force in unless something the UEF did or had seriously scared them IMO....

Well, the GTVA did go in with the mindset to conquer.

[Dilmah G]

Well we haven't been told a lot about the UEF so really we're basing this on nothing. The GTVA wouldn't have sent a strike force in unless something the UEF did or had seriously scared them IMO....

Well, the GTVA did go in with the mindset to conquer.

But WHY did they want to conquer? Some kind of gain obviously, it's a much less strain on resources to remain allies etc than full on invading them. So either the UEF presented themselves as hostile or the UEF/Sol System has something the GTVA wants IMO...

[nuone]

Well we haven't been told a lot about the UEF so really we're basing this on nothing. The GTVA wouldn't have sent a strike force in unless something the UEF did or had seriously scared them IMO....

Well, the GTVA did go in with the mindset to conquer.

But WHY did they want to conquer? Some kind of gain obviously, it's a much less strain on resources to remain allies etc than full on invading them. So either the UEF presented themselves as hostile or the UEF/Sol System has something the GTVA wants IMO...

Exactly. Gentlemen, a look into history can explain why the GTVA attacked Earth. After having lost access to Earth, the colonies had to implementt their own government, mainly the GTVA. The GTVA arose as the dominant power in the region. After 60+ years of ruling and fighting, do you believe they would simply bow once again to their home-planet's government? High ranking officials and offices would be abolished and relegate themselves to UE authority. (Illustration) Imaging that the 13 original colonies had not rebelled. Imagine that they had "lost contact" with Great Britain. Two hundred years later you have the United States, and they "miraculously" regain contact with her mother-nation. Would the president and congress give up their jobs and submit to English rule? <Think about it>

[Dilmah G]

That's actually a half-decent hypothesis

[Rodo]

the other half is ... nasty?

the motives for the high council are a mystery,but I would bet on that one... it's a logical option given the past decisions taken by them.

Hey by the way what kind of government is the GTVA anyway?? is it like a pseudo Empire.. or a Republic kind or so??

[Snail]

the other half is ... nasty?

the motives for the high council are a mystery,but I would bet on that one... it's a logical option given the past decisions taken by them.

Hey by the way what kind of government is the GTVA anyway?? is it like a pseudo Empire.. or a Republic kind or so??

I always saw it as governed in a similar style to the United States.

[Rodo]

I always saw it as governed in a similar style to the United States.

the high council elements are elected?

right now the only thing I remember is that the GTVA is "formed" out of the blue, like a merging of many different governments of different star systems right?

[Snail]

Err, no.

It started out as a kind of trading-peace framework organization (sorta like the UN) which became more powerful over time.

From the TD:

The Galactic Terran-Vasudan Alliance (GTVA) was formed in 2345, ten years after the Great War. This treaty organization recognized the autonomy of its constituents as it provided a framework for trade and mutual defense. The Great War had transformed the enmity between Terrans and Vasudans into a lasting fellowship.

As the industry and economy of the Terran-Vasudan systems recovered, support for a more powerful GTVA gained momentum. In 2358, delegates signed into existence the Beta Aquilae Convention (BETAC), named after the system where the constitution was drafted and ratified. BETAC dismantled the governments of the Terran blocs and recognized the General Assembly, the Security Council, and the Vasudan Imperium as the supreme authorities of Terran-Vasudan space.

[Androgeos Exeunt]

A-ha, that explains it.

Sol is a part of Terran-Vasudan space; it always has been. BETAC makes it such that the only legitimate authority in every system controlled by a Terran or Vasudan falls under the control of the GTVA. As the UEF are not the GTVA, their control of Sol is unlawful as per BETAC.

[Dilmah G]

A-ha, that explains it.

Sol is a part of Terran-Vasudan space; it always has been. BETAC makes it such that the only legitimate authority in every system controlled by a Terran or Vasudan falls under the control of the GTVA. As the UEF are not the GTVA, their control of Sol is unlawful as per BETAC.

Oh yeah

[nuone]

A-ha, that explains it.

Sol is a part of Terran-Vasudan space; it always has been. BETAC makes it such that the only legitimate authority in every system controlled by a Terran or Vasudan falls under the control of the GTVA. As the UEF are not the GTVA, their control of Sol is unlawful as per BETAC.

Excellent point. Nonetheless, how can the GTVA claim authority over Earth, when it was FROM Earth that the GTVA claims its origins? Kind of like a child leaving home for twenty years, and returning only to control his parents lives. BETAC, in reality, has no significance outside of current GTVA space.

[Titan]

Still thing that only a total c**k would think that means the GTVA has to go to war. Haven't they heard of amendments?

[manwiththemachinegun]

A-ha, that explains it.

Sol is a part of Terran-Vasudan space; it always has been. BETAC makes it such that the only legitimate authority in every system controlled by a Terran or Vasudan falls under the control of the GTVA. As the UEF are not the GTVA, their control of Sol is unlawful as per BETAC.

Excellent point. Nonetheless, how can the GTVA claim authority over Earth, when it was FROM Earth that the GTVA claims its origins? Kind of like a child leaving home for twenty years, and returning only to control his parents lives. BETAC, in reality, has no significance outside of current GTVA space.

Entrenched power blocs just don't disappear because of random circumstance. The GTVA feels it has the right to govern Earth however they feel like it. Their perspective is they're retaking "THEIR" home, not allowing an independent Earth faction to rejoin the alliance.

The GTVA is warlike out of necessity, Earth wasn't nearly obliterated by 80 Juggernauts. The GTVA is more than slightly paranoid, and rightfully so. They've been operating independently from Earth for decades, barely scraping by. Now they find that Earth is a peaceful community with a radically different form of government, and the GTVA is just supposed to go along with that? It's tragic because it needn't have turned out this way, but from the GTVA's perspective, they want a quick win so they can likely give a morale boost to the rest of the alliance, as well as retask most of Sol to military industrial purposes along with supporting the outer colonies.

Granted, they're probably going to fail, but it's still a crummy situation all around.

[General Battuta]

 

My take on it as well. With the added cultural elements in the dossiers.

[NGTM-1R]

Granted, they're probably going to fail, but it's still a crummy situation all around.

Short of Deus Ex Machina overdrive, all evidence is they're going to win.

[manwiththemachinegun]

Ah, but Alpha 1 isn't with them...

[-Norbert-]

Short of Deus Ex Machina overdrive, all evidence is they're going to win.

I'm not so sure about that.
The GTVA can only continue the war as long as the have the backing of their own citicens. And the longer this war with Sol is going and the more GTVA pilots and ships are lost, the more civilians back home in the colonies will wonder why they are even fighting their brothers and sisters.
Should the public opinion ever swing around the GTVA will have little choice but to pull out and try a diplomatic solution I guess.

Furthermore economically the GTVA was in a really bad situation, with all the funds and ressources pumped into the construction of the portal. And now they are fighting a war and that for several month now.
For all we know the GTVA might be only inches away from complete economic collapse.... or not, we simply don't know.
But considering the situation before the war, I'd guess the GTVA can only win the war fast or not at all, unless they get help form the Vasudans (either economically or even military).