[Lowcorn]

so iv been makeing a whole bunch of fred maps and i find that if i put 2 manny ships into a map it crashes. Is there some way to avoid this?

[Goober5000]

Yes.  Don't put 2 manny ships into a map.

[Polpolion]

Yeah, just cut down the number of ships. Chances are, you don't need that many anyways. Try and do more with less.

[Aardwolf]

It would be nice to have a message box saying what the problem is instead of a crash, tho.

[eliex]

Eh? On my FRED whenever I exceed the ship amount, upon saving a message box appears and says "<Ship name> has an illegal number" then the ships that were last placed would dissapear.

[Excalibur]

I thought there was allready a discussion like this somewhere - the limit was about 130 or 300.

Though he does seem new. If you create "new wings" for each time a new wing arrives, consider using waves, so you might end up with "Cancer 23,24,25 and 26", but it really can reduce the actual ship count.

Excalibur.

[FUBAR-BDHR]

I think the limit is 400 in 3.6.10 builds.  130 is still the limit for ship table entries unless you use an Inferno build. 

[Colonol Dekker]

I've never considered the issue before, waves don't affect that three hundred limit do they.

[FUBAR-BDHR]

No you still can have a wing consisting of 99 waves of 6 ships or 594 ships.  That's 39501 ships for alpha 1 to destroy if you want.  Just make sure carpel tunnel is covered under your insurance plan before you try it. 

[Colonol Dekker]

Once that mine control headband goes retail, insurance companies will have to cover carpal brain syndrome too.

[Aardwolf]

How does the ship limit deal with wave threshold? If you've got it set up right, you could have more than the max number of ships per wing at a time, right?

[karajorma]

No. You can't have more than 6 ships per wave even with the threshold. FRED will automatically reset the threshold value to prevent you having 7 or more ships present.

[Excalibur]

Just makeanother wing called "Cancer." and "Cancer" or paste some tiny unknown symbol in the wing name.

Wasn't there one that went invisible?

[karajorma]

Problem with that is you end up with two ships called Cancer 1 flying around.

[Vidmaster]

problems start when you have lots of capships around... 

[Arkangel]

Out of curiosity what is the symbol, will prove useful in a mission I'm making

[Shade]

"#"

[Excalibur]

Kills by ship type: Cancer 1: 5
                             Cancer 2: 7
                             Cancer 3: 2 etc...
 mmm...an "attack of the clones" mission?

[Admiral Edivad]

so iv been makeing a whole bunch of fred maps and i find that if i put 2 manny ships into a map it crashes. Is there some way to avoid this?

wasn't there also the possibility to use the ship-create sexp to bypass this problem?

[karajorma]

Yes. But that doesn't mean you should do that. If you're over 400 ships in a single mission you've probably gone way past the point of having a good working mission.