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Just an idea for a mod... nothing important
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Did you read the Legends of Dune trilogy, The Butlerian Jihad, The Machine Crusade and The Battle of Corrin? It would be great a mod or campaign based in that war between the Humanity and Omnious (not based necessarily in the event of the books, perhaps battles before the events of The Butlerian Jihad or a campaign timed between two of the books under the orders of Harkonnen or Atreides)
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You know, I never read or saw anything from the Dune except the move and the short series.

Yet anythime someone mentiones the BUTLERian Jihan I giggle. I get a mental image of butlers in those fine black suits kicking arse in style.


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Well, I find the main problem in doing the Dune universe, something I've thought about myself, tbh, is that you seldom see space warfare. As far as I understand it, interstellar travel is controlled by the Navigator Guild, and they basically have a complete monopoly on space travel. Although, I've never read the new books.
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Yet anything someone mentiones the BUTLERian Jihan I giggle. I get a mental image of butlers in those fine black suits kicking arse in style.

"Your bullet Sir."
"Sir, I got a mister Lucifer calling, saying you're late to your appointment in Hell."
:lol:

No, Serena Butler is one of the main characters, she's captured by the machines and taken to Earth, they kill her son (from Xavier Harkonnen, a military leader from the League of Nobles), the human slaves in Earth rise up in arms led by Iblis Ginjo when the machines kill her son, she returns to the League of Nobles and becomes a spiritual leader, declaring a holy war against the machines, the Butlerian Jihad.

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Well, I find the main problem in doing the Dune universe, something I've thought about myself, tbh, is that you seldom see space warfare. As far as I understand it, interstellar travel is controlled by the Navigator Guild, and they basically have a complete monopoly on space travel. Although, I've never read the new books.

In this books there is no Navigator Guild yet, and space travel is long in the order of days, months and in some cases years. In the book The Butlerian Jihad, the savant Holtzman invents the Holtzman shielding tecnology, giving shields to their fleet. It is complicated to explain in few words, i recomend to read the books.
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If you want your mod/campaign translated to spanish, please PM me or send me an e-mail message.

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Re: Just an idea for a mod... nothing important
You know, I never read or saw anything from the Dune except the move and the short series.

Yet anything someone mentiones the BUTLERian Jihan I giggle. I get a mental image of butlers in those fine black suits kicking arse in style.


"Your bullet Sir."
"Sir, I got a mister Lucifer calling, saying you're late to your appointment in Hell."

:lol:

 
Re: Just an idea for a mod... nothing important
The space warfaring is interesting and could be done for Freespace 2. And there isn't too many classes of ships (i don't know the english names, i'll try to translate them from my native languaje). We have the Crossbow class carrier, they are flagships too. The Javelin class destroyer, less big and more manoeuvrable and the Kindjal class fighters. I can't remember anymore about the League of Nobles (their capitol planet is Salusa Secundus). And about Omnious (the machine's main computer that makes copies of itself for the rest of planets under its control, the main Omnious is on Earth), the machines have big and small ships too, and they have the powerful Titans, originaly humans that toke control of the Human Empire thousand years ago and lost it by Omnious, their own creation. Now they serve under Omnious' orders only for convenience, not loyalty, wainting the right time for their own rebelion against Omnious. They are in essence brains inside bottles, and they can mount powerful war platforms for ground, air and space combat. I can't remember anything else, i've read the books one year ago. The weapons are projectile based, mass accelerators. Humanity uses explosive bullets fired with cannons. The machines use penetrating weapons in space warfare, and slashing weapons, bio weapons, flamethrowers and things like that to kill people and soldiers in ground.
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In this books there is no Navigator Guild yet, and space travel is long in the order of days, months and in some cases years. In the book The Butlerian Jihad, the savant Holtzman invents the Holtzman shielding tecnology, giving shields to their fleet. It is complicated to explain in few words, i recomend to read the books.
What are they're titles? I've heard of the Holtzman shielding, probably from the blurb on the back of one of the novels. I'll go grab the books and read them and think about it.
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Re: Just an idea for a mod... nothing important
Well, I find the main problem in doing the Dune universe, something I've thought about myself, tbh, is that you seldom see space warfare. As far as I understand it, interstellar travel is controlled by the Navigator Guild, and they basically have a complete monopoly on space travel. Although, I've never read the new books.

The books by Brian and KJA are a travesty compared to the original 6 books by Frank. It's like reading one of KJA's "Stahwarz" books and see it tagged on as a prequel to a LoTR epic.

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I've heard of the Holtzman shielding, probably from the blurb on the back of one of the novels.

Re-read the Dune book itself. The appendix at the end of Dune may contain an entry on it (my copy is at home).

 

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Remember, the slow laser penetrates the shield....

Sorry :nervous:

 

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Remember, the slow laser blow penetrates the shield....

Sorry :nervous:

Fixed.

In Dune, the intersection of a laser and a shield causes "subatomic" explosion, annihilating both the attacker and defender. Thus reversion to h2h weapons and projectile weapons (maula pistols, etc).

 
Re: Just an idea for a mod... nothing important
Yeah good luck implementing that in FS2. The Holtzman-shield effect. Kapowza.

The Dune ships are a little unique in that they're supposed to be pretty low tech. I think there's a ban on advanced AI computers so a lot of the computing is done by some drugged up psychic guy. Not sure what implications that would have in freespace but it's interesting none the less.

EDIT - more accurately, I think the FTL computing is done by the drugged up guy. Maybe the weaponry and standard ship ops are done by crappy computers.

 

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The man-fish in the tank is used to "see the safe path ahead" by prescience.

The Guild has a monopoly on space travel, which I think is partly due to the requirements of safe FTL travel, which at that time require a lot of spice and a human willing to become mutant.

The Butlerian prohibitions apply to sentient  AI. Computers are still used, but for more menial work, not dissimilar from current computers. Of course, most people are scared of being accused of violating the proscriptions, especially IX and other technology oriented worlds, so they tend to play it safe.

From the original series, the schools of training human mind started after the Jihad so that human minds can be used to do what was done previously by AI computers. 2 of the ancient schools that that lasted till the start of Dune (and beyond) is the Guild with its navigators and the Sisterhood. The first focus on almost pure mathematics while the second focus on human affairs. Mentats are not described in the books as belonging to any school but more generic as logic computation. Many major characters in the series are or later become mentats themselves (Paul, Thufir Hawat, Piter, first Duncan Ghola, Miles Teg)

In Heretics of Dune, thousands of years after the Tyrant, which was a few thousand years after Paul, machines have been invented to replace Navigators (but Navigators still accompany ships). Of course, then come stuff like Noships and assorted stuff.

 

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In Dune, the intersection of a laser and a shield causes "subatomic" explosion, annihilating both the attacker and defender. Thus reversion to h2h weapons and projectile weapons (maula pistols, etc).
Which is also why, in Emperor: Dune, I always used Sardukar Elite to attack Ordos Armored units.
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In Dune, the intersection of a laser and a shield causes "subatomic" explosion, annihilating both the attacker and defender
In this books, that's a really big explosion.
Spoiler:
An slave used a laser rifle against savant Holtzman himself, he had his personal shield activated and tried to explain it to the slave, but the slave fired his weapon causing a explosion that destroyed the entire city
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Re: Just an idea for a mod... nothing important
Them's the lasers we needed against the Lucifer. :nod:


Whoa, i must buy Dune books now. I saw the film. But at the time i was a miniscule minor. And the books looked TOO long..
Now i'm enlightened :yes: might give em a go.
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-Ribos: The aftermath / -Retreat from Deneb
-Sol: A History
-TBP EACW teaser
-Earth Brakiri war
-TBP Fortune Hunters (I think?)
-TBP Relic
-Trancsend (Possibly?)
-Uncharted Territory
-Vassagos Dirge
-War Machine
(Others lost to the mists of time and no discernible audit trail)

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Re: Just an idea for a mod... nothing important
Them's the lasers we needed against the Lucifer. :nod:

       It's not the lasers that's the problem, it's the shield, as far as I know.

 

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Re: Just an idea for a mod... nothing important
Them's the lasers we needed against the Lucifer. :nod:


Whoa, i must buy Dune books now. I saw the film. But at the time i was a miniscule minor. And the books looked TOO long..
Now i'm enlightened :yes: might give em a go.

Well to help you here's a list of the books:

Original series by Frank Herbert
Dune
Dune Messiah
Children of Dune
God Emperor of Dune
Heretics of Dune
Chapterhouse Dune

Completion of the original Series (Dune 7) by Brian Herbert and Kevin J Anderson
Hunters of Dune
Sandworms of Dune

Prelude to Dune by Brian Herbert and Kevin J Anderson
Dune: House Atreides
Dune: House Harkonnen
Dune: House Corrino

Legends of Dune by Brian Herbert and Kevin J Anderson
The Butlerian Jihad
The Machine Crusade
The Battle of Corrin

Heroes of Dune by Brian Herbert and Kevin J Anderson
Paul of Dune (released on Sept 16th, 2008)
Jessica of Dune (Working Title - Unreleased of this date)
Irulan of Dune (Working Title - Unreleased of this date)
Leto of Dune (Working Title - Unreleased of this date)

Short Stories
Road to Dune (1985) - a Pilgrims Guidebook to Arrakis by Frank Herbert. Found in the Frank Herbert Short Story Collection Eye

Road to Dune (2005) - A Collection Book containing among other things:
*A Whisper on Caladan Seas
*Hunting Harkonnens
*Whipping Mek
*The Face of a Martyr
*Sea Child (Only in the paperback edition)
*Spice Planet - Not a short story, but a full alternative to dune based on Frank Herbert's original outline
*Missing/Alternative chapters from Dune and Dune Messiah

Treasure in the Sand - (In the Paperback editions of Hunters of Dune)
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Cheers James :yes:

I might be a while finding them all. I'll check my local Library for the first couple....for now :)
Campaigns I've added my distinctiveness to-
- Blue Planet: Battle Captains
-Battle of Neptune
-Between the Ashes 2
-Blue planet: Age of Aquarius
-FOTG?
-Inferno R1
-Ribos: The aftermath / -Retreat from Deneb
-Sol: A History
-TBP EACW teaser
-Earth Brakiri war
-TBP Fortune Hunters (I think?)
-TBP Relic
-Trancsend (Possibly?)
-Uncharted Territory
-Vassagos Dirge
-War Machine
(Others lost to the mists of time and no discernible audit trail)

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Them's the lasers we needed against the Lucifer. :nod:

       It's not the lasers that's the problem, it's the shield, as far as I know.
Laser weapons are obsolete/useless in Legends of Dune, the destructive combination laser->shield is a secret that must not fall into enemy hands, because all of our ships have these shields. Something so simple like the laser can blow up one of our ships with a single shot... ohoh  :nervous:
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Laser weapons are obsolete/useless in Legends of Dune, the destructive combination laser->shield is a secret that must not fall into enemy hands, because all of our ships have these shields. Something so simple like the laser can blow up one of our ships with a single shot... ohoh  :nervous:
Basically, anyone with a powerful enough laser and lots of refraction mirrors can 0wn the GTVA.
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