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Offline NGTM-1R

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Nope. Anime has been off weekdays for a long time, and Action Saturdays are a hair's breadth from being totally dead. A shame they can't remember their roots.

Man, I remember before Toonami. Action Planet. Batman TAS, Speed Racer, stuff like that.

Of course, the only one I would watch now is Batman TAS...
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The only good Batman cartoon is the early 90s rendition. What an opening score!
Campaigns I've added my distinctiveness to-
- Blue Planet: Battle Captains
-Battle of Neptune
-Between the Ashes 2
-Blue planet: Age of Aquarius
-FOTG?
-Inferno R1
-Ribos: The aftermath / -Retreat from Deneb
-Sol: A History
-TBP EACW teaser
-Earth Brakiri war
-TBP Fortune Hunters (I think?)
-TBP Relic
-Trancsend (Possibly?)
-Uncharted Territory
-Vassagos Dirge
-War Machine
(Others lost to the mists of time and no discernible audit trail)

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The only good Batman cartoon is the early 90s rendition. What an opening score!

Well, if you seek to the last ten seconds of this video, you'll find something interesting, but you might as well watch everything before it as well. :)
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Offline Roanoke

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The only good Batman cartoon is the early 90s rendition. What an opening score!

The one where everyone had super square chins and Mark Hamil as the Joker ? That was a great series.

My interest in Anime wained pretty heavily a few years ago, save for a mini nostalgia trip recently. Years ago, places like Toonami were the only way to see shows like DBZ. The only other anime about were Akira repeats on domestic channels @ 2am.
I've found Amazon is a great source for the older skool Manga Video/Anime VHS videos. I recently got Wings of Honneamise, Geno Cyber 1-3 and Batman for just a couple of £ each!

 

Offline Flaser

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I prefer late '80 and early '90 anime made during the "OVA Boom!".

The reason is simple: there was tons of money going around, and it really shows in the productions quality. Some of the shows made nowadays may be more "shiny" (...and some of them I love like Kara no Kyoukai, GITSSAC, Makoto Shinkai's work etc.) but if you go for sheer artistic effort, a great portion of the winners and runner ups would be from the era of the "OVA Boom!".

Beyond mere prettiness there was still a lot of room for experimentation. With the advent of direct to video (OVA) sales the directors were freed from the grasp of syndicated television and a lot more varied and mature (...and not strictly in a violent or pornographic sense) were explored.

Stuff like:

  • 3x3 Eyes
  • Akira
  • Ayashiro no Ceres
  • Armitage III
  • Blue Submarine No. 6
  • Bubblegum Crisis
  • Cyber City Oedo
  • Detonator Orgun
  • Gall Force (in some of its various iterations!....there are a lot!)
  • Gun Smith Cats
  • Gunbuster
  • GUNNM (aka Battle Angel Alita)
  • Heroic Legend of Arslan
  • Iczer 1
  • Key the Metal Idol
  • Macross Plus
  • Mobile Suit Gundam 0080
  • Nausicaa
  • Ninja Scroll
  • Serial Experiments Lain
  • Slayers
  • Sol Bianca
  • Soul Taker
  • Starship Girl Yamamoto Yohko
  • Record of Lodoss War
  • Robot Carnival
  • Roujin Z
  • The Cockpit
  • The Five Star Stories
  • Toward Terra (...that old movie, not the brand spanking new, shiny series)
  • Vampire Hunter D (...once again the old one)
  • Vampire Princess Miyu
  • Venus Wars
  • Wings of Honneamise

I also intentionally left out a lot of titles from the ealry '90 and concentrated on "old-school stuff".

Some of these shows were genre defining, others were superb executions of earlier conventions with a care and sheen unseen to date. Others introduced new themes, some were very raw or sophisticated in their narration. Even old school "legends" of the industry like Leji Matsumoto put something brand new on the table while the now "venerated" new legends like Ghibli or Gainax were getting their feet wet in this period.

Simply put, there a plethora of ideas and themes, a myriad modes of expression, genres and artistic styles in use. Even animes from the same studio (or even episodes in the same series like the slow in making BGC OVA) could have a "very different look" as time went on and artistic techniques and concepts evolved over the years.

This eventually spilled over into TV broadcasts as well and is the prime reason why I find an interesting anime show every once in a while, whereas it can take decades before I find something so captivating from the vaults of western animation that is still hamstrung by its conventions and strict adherence to syndicated television codes of conduct.

To me, an anime enthusiasts and affenctionade, watching this transformation on and of itself could be entertaining enough, but it never was and never has been a singular movement, different styles and techniques are in use to date.
This is something that western animation never possessed until the CN & Nickelodeon advent of "wacky" shows. Even today western shows are a lot more uniform in their look and styles than anime has ever been.

However anime is not "superior", it's merely different. Anime shows today tend to show a lot less variety, producers rarely take risks and therefore most shows are just reruns or remakes of old ideas and themes...entertaining but not that interesting or evoking.

It's also possible that I'm merely perceiving the accumulated gems from an era and am yet to find the gems made right now, but all in all I still find more "great" titles from that time than now.

The difference is almost a whole magnitude, so I still believe I'm onto something.
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Ah, I watched ReBoot last time too. I know it has something to do with technology, but that's it. :blah:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ReBoot

I was a only a little boy when I used to watch it... *_*
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Offline Roanoke

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Good list there Flaser.  :yes:
I'd have to add (no doubt I've forgotten loads):

Patlabor 1 & 2
Street Fighter - The Movie
Dominion Tank Police (Earlier versions)
Ghost in the Shell (not a huge fan)
Full Metal Panic (Earlier versions)
and for sheer nostalgia, if nothing else, The Guyver, Devilman and Fist of the North Star.

Can you remember what it was that first brought anime/manga to your attention ? Even now I cam vividly recall the first time I saw Akira and my subsequent "reminder" a few years later. The early 90s was "my" period too. I lost interest just as Neon Genesis Evangelion went big.

Oh hey, does anyone remember a big robot show set around an alternate WWII (IIRC) with steam powered mecha ? 'think it came out around roughly the same time as the original Patlabor movies. Maybe '94/95 ish ?

 

Offline Colonol Dekker

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Good list there Flaser.  :yes:
I'd have to add (no doubt I've forgotten loads):

Patlabor 1 & 2
Street Fighter - The Movie
Dominion Tank Police (Earlier versions)
Ghost in the Shell (not a huge fan)

and for sheer nostalgia, if nothing else, The Guyver, Devilman and Fist of the North Star.

Can you remember what it was that first brought anime/manga to your attention ? Even now I cam vividly recall the first time I saw Akira and my subsequent "reminder" a few years later. The early 90s was "my" period too. I lost interest just as Neon Genesis Evangelion went big.

Oh hey, does anyone remember a big robot show set around an alternate WWII (IIRC) with steam powered mecha ? 'think it came out around roughly the same time as the original Patlabor movies. Maybe '94/95 ish ?



Ring of red?


Also Venus wars was "bang on" :yes:
Campaigns I've added my distinctiveness to-
- Blue Planet: Battle Captains
-Battle of Neptune
-Between the Ashes 2
-Blue planet: Age of Aquarius
-FOTG?
-Inferno R1
-Ribos: The aftermath / -Retreat from Deneb
-Sol: A History
-TBP EACW teaser
-Earth Brakiri war
-TBP Fortune Hunters (I think?)
-TBP Relic
-Trancsend (Possibly?)
-Uncharted Territory
-Vassagos Dirge
-War Machine
(Others lost to the mists of time and no discernible audit trail)

Your friendly Orestes tactical controller.

Secret bomb God.
That one time I got permabanned and got to read who was being bitxhy about me :p....
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Offline Roanoke

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Good list there Flaser.  :yes:
I'd have to add (no doubt I've forgotten loads):

Patlabor 1 & 2
Street Fighter - The Movie
Dominion Tank Police (Earlier versions)
Ghost in the Shell (not a huge fan)

and for sheer nostalgia, if nothing else, The Guyver, Devilman and Fist of the North Star.

Can you remember what it was that first brought anime/manga to your attention ? Even now I cam vividly recall the first time I saw Akira and my subsequent "reminder" a few years later. The early 90s was "my" period too. I lost interest just as Neon Genesis Evangelion went big.

Oh hey, does anyone remember a big robot show set around an alternate WWII (IIRC) with steam powered mecha ? 'think it came out around roughly the same time as the original Patlabor movies. Maybe '94/95 ish ?



Ring of red?


Also Venus wars was "bang on" :yes:

No, I don't think so. Name doesn't ring a bell anyway.

Just bought Venus Wars (ebay) and Battle Angel....(Amazon)  :yes:

 

Offline Colonol Dekker

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Both super excellent happy fun god times ^_^
Campaigns I've added my distinctiveness to-
- Blue Planet: Battle Captains
-Battle of Neptune
-Between the Ashes 2
-Blue planet: Age of Aquarius
-FOTG?
-Inferno R1
-Ribos: The aftermath / -Retreat from Deneb
-Sol: A History
-TBP EACW teaser
-Earth Brakiri war
-TBP Fortune Hunters (I think?)
-TBP Relic
-Trancsend (Possibly?)
-Uncharted Territory
-Vassagos Dirge
-War Machine
(Others lost to the mists of time and no discernible audit trail)

Your friendly Orestes tactical controller.

Secret bomb God.
That one time I got permabanned and got to read who was being bitxhy about me :p....
GO GO DEKKER RANGERSSSS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Offline Roanoke

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Never seen Venus Wars but I always fancied it. IIRC Battle Angel was shown on either BBC2 or C4 a couple of times though I can't really recall much about it.


 

Offline Colonol Dekker

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I like the oldies like Guyver Genocyber etc, Cyber City OEDO was another good one. Appleseed was a bit iffy, but thats just my view. . . . .Robotech was great for action but htere was a bit too much less than three in it to make it a worthy succsessor to my Transformers fandom at that age.
Campaigns I've added my distinctiveness to-
- Blue Planet: Battle Captains
-Battle of Neptune
-Between the Ashes 2
-Blue planet: Age of Aquarius
-FOTG?
-Inferno R1
-Ribos: The aftermath / -Retreat from Deneb
-Sol: A History
-TBP EACW teaser
-Earth Brakiri war
-TBP Fortune Hunters (I think?)
-TBP Relic
-Trancsend (Possibly?)
-Uncharted Territory
-Vassagos Dirge
-War Machine
(Others lost to the mists of time and no discernible audit trail)

Your friendly Orestes tactical controller.

Secret bomb God.
That one time I got permabanned and got to read who was being bitxhy about me :p....
GO GO DEKKER RANGERSSSS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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I like the oldies like Guyver Genocyber etc, Cyber City OEDO was another good one. Appleseed was a bit iffy, but thats just my view. . . . .Robotech was great for action but htere was a bit too much less than three in it to make it a worthy succsessor to my Transformers fandom at that age.

I couldn't stand Robotech. TSDF Macross is a bit better, but even then, it's still pretty shoddy.

 

Offline Colonol Dekker

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See i never really got hooked into the Cult of it all so to me, anything witha veritech, is robotech..... I'm sure i'd be crucified for say that on a macross themed forum. (or if Max Sterling reads this) but i was to busy with Akira and ALien three at that poiunt in my life. (at the whopping age of eleven :lol:)
Campaigns I've added my distinctiveness to-
- Blue Planet: Battle Captains
-Battle of Neptune
-Between the Ashes 2
-Blue planet: Age of Aquarius
-FOTG?
-Inferno R1
-Ribos: The aftermath / -Retreat from Deneb
-Sol: A History
-TBP EACW teaser
-Earth Brakiri war
-TBP Fortune Hunters (I think?)
-TBP Relic
-Trancsend (Possibly?)
-Uncharted Territory
-Vassagos Dirge
-War Machine
(Others lost to the mists of time and no discernible audit trail)

Your friendly Orestes tactical controller.

Secret bomb God.
That one time I got permabanned and got to read who was being bitxhy about me :p....
GO GO DEKKER RANGERSSSS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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The only good Zod is a dead Zod
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I remember Guyver, and Patlabor...maybe a bit of Macross but not sure. I never really watched much anime tbh.  :nervous: I had friends that were very into anime. Not sure if this quite fits in with the topic or what's regarded as true anime, but does anyone remember the Mysterious Cities of Gold? Late '70s - early '80s French - Japanese co-production. I remember being fond of that one.

 

Offline Colonol Dekker

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Very much so, it was very cool. Admittedly it came out when i was no more than a baby.
But if anyone wants to check out the intro and more it's on youtube here..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LbVNZ-cghz0
Campaigns I've added my distinctiveness to-
- Blue Planet: Battle Captains
-Battle of Neptune
-Between the Ashes 2
-Blue planet: Age of Aquarius
-FOTG?
-Inferno R1
-Ribos: The aftermath / -Retreat from Deneb
-Sol: A History
-TBP EACW teaser
-Earth Brakiri war
-TBP Fortune Hunters (I think?)
-TBP Relic
-Trancsend (Possibly?)
-Uncharted Territory
-Vassagos Dirge
-War Machine
(Others lost to the mists of time and no discernible audit trail)

Your friendly Orestes tactical controller.

Secret bomb God.
That one time I got permabanned and got to read who was being bitxhy about me :p....
GO GO DEKKER RANGERSSSS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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The only good Zod is a dead Zod
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Offline Roanoke

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The only Macross I've ever paid any attention to was Plus. Macross Plus is an awesome mini-series and you don't need any Macross knowledge to appreciate it.

 
I like the oldies like Guyver Genocyber etc, Cyber City OEDO was another good one. Appleseed was a bit iffy, but thats just my view. . . . .Robotech was great for action but htere was a bit too much less than three in it to make it a worthy succsessor to my Transformers fandom at that age.

I couldn't stand Robotech. TSDF Macross is a bit better, but even then, it's still pretty shoddy.

     Bah! Blasphemy! Macross is my favourite series.

  
I really should watch Macross one of these days. I saw Robotech, and liked it well enough, and everyone says Macross is so much better...
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Offline NGTM-1R

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I really should watch Macross one of these days. I saw Robotech, and liked it well enough, and everyone says Macross is so much better...

's not.
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