[Mobius]

The other thing is that the guns the Terrans on the Shivan freighter shoot bullets, because you can't see the individual missiles. On the ML-16, however...

The noise was that of a heavy machinegun, remember?

[Polpolion]

The weapon is identical to the loadout .ani in FreeSpace 1. just spanked a handle to it for the cutscene. In arguement for in-universe, chainguns/miniguns can be used unmounted (albeit with a lot of fatigue)

Except for the size, energy requirements, and bolt size, that might sound a little reasonable. If it were an actual ML-16, there would be no reason for the Apollo to not have 40 of them mounted on it at once.

[Androgeos Exeunt]

The noise was that of a heavy machinegun, remember?

Well, the ML-16 DOESN'T sound like a machine gun, nor does it fire like one.

And keep in mind that, when a mod creates a machine-gun-like weapon, the sound of the bullets impact resemble that of the first Shivan getting hit. When an ML-16 projectile hits an unshielded target, it sounds like an internal explosion.

[Topgun]

yeah, and, what does have to do with the interplay site?

[Polpolion]

I'm sure there's something...

[Androgeos Exeunt]

My previous post was messed up. Go see it again. Sorry.

[Inquisitor]

My brain hurts too much to figure out where to split this and move the resulting thread to FS...

[Androgeos Exeunt]

Shouldn't anything regarding Interplay be put in General FreeSpace Discussion?

[Jeff Vader]

No. Anything regarding FreeSpace should be put in General FreeSpace Discussion.

[Titan]

i'm just thinking, that freighter doesn't have gravity, if the shivan's approach to the marines is anything to go by. With that, you can inference:

1. the marines have electro-magnetic boots

2. shivan ships are zero-gee, or the gravity got disabled, which meant that the marines could carry half a bloody tank in there.

3. disproving the second theory, if the shivan are hive-minds, then it sorta fits that they can walk upside-down for some reason, maybe because of the fact that hive-minds are associated with bugz.

[pecenipicek]

shivans are stated as having evolved in zero-g enviroment. i guess that that freighter never had any gravity to begin with.


however, i dont see how theory 3 says anything. the ship doesnt have anything in the way of gravity demonstrated by the marines floating in and engaging mag boots.

[TrashMan]

Querry:

1. If it's Zero-G, shouldn't the shivans be PUSHED by the bullets/hits of the marines, given that they don't have mag boots and like gliding in the air?

2. If a shivan is advancing, wouldn't a smart move be to disenagage the mag boots? Your machinegun fire would be like thrust, pushing you away while still pummeling the fugly alien.

[Snail]

1. If it's Zero-G, shouldn't the shivans be PUSHED by the bullets/hits of the marines, given that they don't have mag boots and like gliding in the air?

Shivans move in mysterious ways. Literally.

2. If a shivan is advancing, wouldn't a smart move be to disenagage the mag boots? Your machinegun fire would be like thrust, pushing you away while still pummeling the fugly alien.

I'd guess they didn't want to smack against the wall. Or weren't smart enough to do that.

[pecenipicek]

i have a feeling that shivans have quite the mass. even in zero-g, mass still exists as does inertia, and most of the shivans were already going towards them. the one that got taken down was being pushed a little bit back tho.

[Mars]

Shivans have to way around 1000lbs, although bullets move quite fast, they're very low mass a ricocheting bullet isn't giving up its entire energy on its target, and it would take quite a few to successfully move a Shivan I believe.

[Droid803]

I think the Shivans were using their claws to hold on to stuff, when they weren't hurtling towards the marines...which explains why they don't move by puny bullets bouncing off their armor.

[Colonol Dekker]

They're shivans, who's to say how their spooky alien forms operate.

[eliex]

2. If a shivan is advancing, wouldn't a smart move be to disenagage the mag boots? Your machinegun fire would be like thrust, pushing you away while still pummeling the fugly alien.

Most likely, they panicked.

[Akalabeth Angel]

Querry:

1. If it's Zero-G, shouldn't the shivans be PUSHED by the bullets/hits of the marines, given that they don't have mag boots and like gliding in the air?

         I got the impression they were pulling and pushing off the corridor. They do also seem rather large, and the tech description does talk about an armoured carapace. People wonder why the Shivans didn't land ground troops, maybe the simple fact is they can't. Their body weight may be so much as to make planet-based movement impossible.  Though don't know how well that would translate into zero-g, their movement would be a little more limited.

2. If a shivan is advancing, wouldn't a smart move be to disenagage the mag boots? Your machinegun fire would be like thrust, pushing you away while still pummeling the fugly alien.

    Given the rate at which they were advancing I don't think that would have mattered.

[Cobra]

Uh, did anyone look at the second pic on that site?



The body of the weapon is similar but not the same. The sides are different and the front has a different barrel and rear end.

Just for comparison (and for me to show off a little )