[Valcion]

Hey guys, I was just wondering what are some good dog fighting techniques to use. I tried to play the campaign on Hard level and above and is constantly getting my ass handed to me because either one or both of two things happen.

1. Every single damn fighter decides to focus me. With 4 fighters even if they have the craptasic Prometheus R I still die just from the sheer amount of enemy fire.
2. Something gets behind me and I can't shake it off, it's like it knows where I will go and adjusted its aim so I die.

This has gotten especially frustrating in bombing missions, since I can't really rely on my wingmen to do anything useful other than dying, and I can't really dog fight in a bomber. The other thing is that I've been stuck on the first mission of the first SOC loop, where I have to escort the Iceni. Either those bombs decides to go head to head with me, or the Taurets get behind me and kill me. I was under the impression that a Myrmidon was supposed to be able to out maneuver a freakin heavy assault.

Also, is it me, or is it that in harder difficulties my weapon do less damage, their weapon do more, and they have more shield/hull?

[MT]

Hey guys, I was just wondering what are some good dog fighting techniques to use. I tried to play the campaign on Hard level and above and is constantly getting my ass handed to me because either one or both of two things happen.

1. Every single damn fighter decides to focus me. With 4 fighters even if they have the craptasic Prometheus R I still die just from the sheer amount of enemy fire.
2. Something gets behind me and I can't shake it off, it's like it knows where I will go and adjusted its aim so I die.

This has gotten especially frustrating in bombing missions, since I can't really rely on my wingmen to do anything useful other than dying, and I can't really dog fight in a bomber. The other thing is that I've been stuck on the first mission of the first SOC loop, where I have to escort the Iceni. Either those bombs decides to go head to head with me, or the Taurets get behind me and kill me. I was under the impression that a Myrmidon was supposed to be able to out maneuver a freakin heavy assault.

1. Never ever charge head on like you do in Medium and below. Be polite and let others go first.
2. Dog-pile on each enemy. C-3-1

Also, is it me, or is it that in harder difficulties my weapon do less damage, their weapon do more, and they have more shield/hull?

Your weapons do the same damage. Their weapons do damage closer to the original (ie yours) damage values.

[eliex]

Aim for target lead indicator of the targeted fighter. If you shoot there, most of your hits will be accurate. It's especially important as on the higher difficulties, your afterburner recharge rate slows, as well as energy recovery for weapons.

[MT]

Aim for circle near the targeting fighter. If you shoot there, most of your hits will be accurate. It's especially important as on the higher difficulties, your afterburner recharge rate slows, as well as energy recovery for weapons.

You mean the target lead indicator?

[eliex]

You mean the target lead indicator?

Yes.

[Akalabeth Angel]

This has gotten especially frustrating in bombing missions, since I can't really rely on my wingmen to do anything useful other than dying, and I can't really dog fight in a bomber. The other thing is that I've been stuck on the first mission of the first SOC loop, where I have to escort the Iceni. Either those bombs decides to go head to head with me, or the Taurets get behind me and kill me. I was under the impression that a Myrmidon was supposed to be able to out maneuver a freakin heavy assault.

        Personally I never even fight on that SOC loop. I don't want to kill Vasudans, I like them. So I just circle around, scan the Hinton, and let the other people do their stuff. With the occasional need to defend myself.

[aRaven]

You mean the target lead indicator?

Yes.

lol

[Androgeos Exeunt]

Check out the FreeSpace Wiki for a weakness in the GVCv Sobek that you may wish to exploit. I wrote it in after doing it myself.

Spoiler:

Underside! Weapons subsystem! BLOW_IT!

[eliex]

Oh, and I nearly forgot.

Whenever there are Stellito II missiles available in the weapons loadout, at least, load out one secondary bank with Stellito II's. It's always so handy whenever fighting the NTF, as Terran AAA beams are far more efficient than Shivan ones.

You mean the target lead indicator?

Yes.

lol

lol? 

[MT]

You mean the target lead indicator?

Yes.

I thought that is basic dogfighting? Telling people to adjust their aim for the Myrmidon's 4 guns bank is perhaps more advanced.

[Fenrir]

Personally I never even fight on that SOC loop. I don't want to kill Vasudans, I like them. So I just circle around, scan the Hinton, and let the other people do their stuff. With the occasional need to defend myself.

Really? I love that opportunity to participate in legal Vasudan hunting.

[Akalabeth Angel]

Personally I never even fight on that SOC loop. I don't want to kill Vasudans, I like them. So I just circle around, scan the Hinton, and let the other people do their stuff. With the occasional need to defend myself.

Really? I love that opportunity to participate in legal Vasudan hunting.

      Vasudan ships are sexier. There's a reason my pitiful little campaign takes place on a Vasudan Destroyer with Vasudan fighters rather than a Terran.

[Mars]

Would you like the GVF Woeful Armor, GVF Underpowered Reactor, or the GVF Deathboxcurve?

The only decent fighters they have are the Thoth and the Seth.

[captain-custard]

Aim for circle near the targeting fighter. If you shoot there, most of your hits will be accurate. It's especially important as on the higher difficulties, your afterburner recharge rate slows, as well as energy recovery for weapons.

You mean the target lead indicator?

if your playing multi aim slightly ahead the target indicator at medium or long range, also if your being honed down by swarm missiles use your after burners and weave eratically , try to keep them to your side and pull up and away at last moment or hide behid an enemy ( i also quickly turn around and use my afterburners to head for them they tend to miss)

always keep an eye on your sheilds ad equalize them if your missing a section , if your being ass raped divert your shield power to behind and remember if all else fails eep a good supply of beer in the fridge .....

[Valcion]

        Personally I never even fight on that SOC loop. I don't want to kill Vasudans, I like them. So I just circle around, scan the Hinton, and let the other people do their stuff. With the occasional need to defend myself.

Um...how do you beat that mission if you don't fight? The second Vasudan ship can 1v1 Iceni and win, especially with the asteroid field as far as my experience with that mission goes.

As for the underside of the Sobek cruiser, how do I deal with the 5 turrets on the underside? With that said, how do I deal with those beam turrets in general? There is seriously one time I killed the 4 smaller turrets, then got 1 shotted while having about 40% shield from that big turret near the aft thrusters -_-

The one thing I've noticed is that luck play quite a bit of role in that mission, I tried to do the same thing every time, after killing the first cruiser and fighter/bomber wave, some times Iceni/Hinton each have >90 hull, some times Hinton is near dead while Iceni is stuck with <80.

[Mura]

Smaller turrets aren't as bad, you should take care of the anti fighter beam turrets, after that it should be lot easier to divert your shields energy to the front and make hit runs, alternatively, try to disarm one section of the ship and stay attacking from there, as it shouldn't be able to hit you at that spot anymore, also try to go for the weaker side of it, in that case of the sobek being it's belly.

Disarm it's belly and every time you approach or fly away from it use that route to avoid getting shot too much.


EDIT: once you are at it's belly, destroy the weapons subsystem, that way it will fire even less 

[Mongoose]

I can't count how many times that mission wound up for me with the Iceni and Hinton trying to occupy the exact same cubic meter of space right in front of the jump node...which inevitably resulted with the former bludgeoning the latter to death.  I was not a happy SOC operative.

[Mura]

AHAHAHA, that must be really funny and annoying at the same time, never happened to me before... shows how much the game experience can vary between players.

[Valcion]

Ugh...then I get shot to death by the 2 AAA beams in the back. Anyways, I finally beat it, more due to luck than skill though (Iceni's beam killed the weapon subsystem for me like, 3 seconds after the Sobek jumped in). I'm starting to believe that mission hates me, since I can ALWAYS count on one of these things happen.

I fight back the first wave, I have good shield and hull (>80).
-Hinton get's mobbed, then Iceni dies because it refuses to fire it's beams
-Iceni refuse to hit the asteroids. I seriously failed this twice because Iceni went from 50 to 0.
-The Sobek hating on me. 6 times I got killed by it's anti-ship beams when it blasted through me to get to Iceni when I tried to use Iceni as missile blocks to evade the hax Taurets.

I fight back the first wave, I have poor hull(<30) due to Taurets using aim hax and I can't shake them, therefore taking a boatload of dmg.
-Taurets either all focus me, or they try to ram me, or both. This happened far too many time for it to be coincidence

I finally the both ship to the node, Iceni jumps out, all the fighter jumps out, Hinton's being a slowpoke, unlimited wings of Tauret (saggitarius iirc) jumps in and try to fry me while I'm alone and Hinton is taking it's sweet time.

Anyways, I don't imagine I'll be flying that mission again anytime soon, especially considering the bomber unlocked is bugged. Although I took comfort in that the last mission of the 1st SOC loop, I stayed back and all the fighters except Alpha2 got fragged by the turrets. The next few missions went really well, I even managed to save the AWAC ship during the TAG testing stage, something I've not been able to do the four times that I went through the campaign on normal.

[Mura]

well, i don't see how the two AAA beams in the back hit you if you aren't in the firing arc of them... don't go out the back, get in/out through the front and or sides,  or be a man and trample the beam turrets leaving you with barely any hull left and smash trough any tauret!   ok, that might be a bit tad stupid and insane to do, but it sure would be manly! 

good thing is you actually beated it, thumbs up fer ya, pal